JJ vs. shortstack openshove (NL100)
What the hell is this? I think I'm ahead of his range but don't know what to do given how many people are still left to act. Call, 3bet, fold? If I was last to act I'd call, does this change with the number of people behind me?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) SB ($103.15) BB ($331) UTG ($30.55) UTG+1 ($38.65) MP1 ($20.50) Hero ($98) CO ($104) Button ($123.65) Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $20.5</font>, Hero ??? |
Re: JJ vs. shortstack openshove (NL100)
I don't know his range. But if you decide not to fold, I think calling is better than reraising here. You can be pretty sure that any body who calls or raises you has you beat. If you reraise, you only hope to fold out QQ and KK which has you beat (I don't think AA is folding and AK or AQ will probably fear your smooth-call).
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Re: JJ vs. shortstack openshove (NL100)
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I don't know his range. But if you decide not to fold, I think calling is better than reraising here. You can be pretty sure that any body who calls or raises you has you beat. If you reraise, you only hope to fold out QQ and KK which has you beat (I don't think AA is folding and AK or AQ will probably fear your smooth-call). What's villain's stats? [/ QUOTE ] no stats, but anyone dumb enough to make this raise is dumb enough to have a range that JJ is ahead of imo. |
Re: JJ vs. shortstack openshove (NL100)
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[ QUOTE ] I don't know his range. But if you decide not to fold, I think calling is better than reraising here. You can be pretty sure that any body who calls or raises you has you beat. If you reraise, you only hope to fold out QQ and KK which has you beat (I don't think AA is folding and AK or AQ will probably fear your smooth-call). What's villain's stats? [/ QUOTE ] no stats, but anyone dumb enough to make this raise is dumb enough to have a range that JJ is ahead of imo. [/ QUOTE ] Agree. Looks like someone looking to stack off or just a maniac. I like just calling here for reason previously mentioned. Only better hand that may fold if you 3 bet is QQ. On the off chance someone has KK or AA you are screeeewed. |
Re: JJ vs. shortstack openshove (NL100)
FWIW, I don't think you can 3bet because it pretty much commits you to calling any shove behind you. I probably fold because you're not a huge favorite over a tight range AND there are so many people left behind you, but you're definitely folding as an 81% favorite sometimes.
EDIT: I thought it was ten handed, not eight...that definitely makes it a lot closer. Meh, calling is fine. |
Re: JJ vs. shortstack openshove (NL100)
$20 to win the blinds? I think he wants a call and is hoping to catch someone with a half decent hand.
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Re: JJ vs. shortstack openshove (NL100)
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$20 to win the blinds? I think he wants a call and is hoping to catch someone with a half decent hand. [/ QUOTE ] we can assume he's retarded until its proven otherwise |
Re: JJ vs. shortstack openshove (NL100)
This is AA from the villain 99% of the time. I've tried to pick them off with JJ before, just ship me the $20 and I'll kick you in the jimmy.
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Re: JJ vs. shortstack openshove (NL100)
Yeah As Ks or A/K are all I see him doing this with here.
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Re: JJ vs. shortstack openshove (NL100)
i think this is a easy call
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Re: JJ vs. shortstack openshove (NL100)
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[ QUOTE ] I don't know his range. But if you decide not to fold, I think calling is better than reraising here. You can be pretty sure that any body who calls or raises you has you beat. If you reraise, you only hope to fold out QQ and KK which has you beat (I don't think AA is folding and AK or AQ will probably fear your smooth-call). What's villain's stats? [/ QUOTE ] no stats, but anyone dumb enough to make this raise is dumb enough to have a range that JJ is ahead of imo. [/ QUOTE ] um, no. Just because someone makes a bad play doesnt mean there range is wide. Im not saying fold here necessarily, but I dont think that this is an easy call or the fact that he open shoved means his range is wider than if he reraised. |
Re: JJ vs. shortstack openshove (NL100)
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This is AA from the villain 99% of the time. I've tried to pick them off with JJ before, just ship me the $20 and I'll kick you in the jimmy. [/ QUOTE ] no way its AA 99% of the time without a much better read |
Re: JJ vs. shortstack openshove (NL100)
i think u r a slight favourite or completely dominated here. These short stack players are looking for a spot to double up, UTG he is going to have a premium hand. Do u really think he has Axs, TT or less?
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Re: JJ vs. shortstack openshove (NL100)
racing or dominated, fold it
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Re: JJ vs. shortstack openshove (NL100)
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[ QUOTE ] This is AA from the villain 99% of the time. I've tried to pick them off with JJ before, just ship me the $20 and I'll kick you in the jimmy. [/ QUOTE ] no way its AA 99% of the time without a much better read [/ QUOTE ] Okay, In the small sample of times that I have seen this it has been AA around 5 times something else zero times. We had a thread about this a few weeks ago, there was a pretty big consensus that if an unknown or someone who has seemingly played normally open shoves out of the blue it's a monster. |
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