Turned set w 33 in 3 bet pot, flush river
 

I am having a hard time undertanding anything about this hand. I was revieiwing my HH's and found this one, now I'm wondering what the hell was going on. Misclick prelop obv. JK, w/e What are thoughts on flop call, betting out turn and river fold. Is this turn an easy crai?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $297.45
Hero: $455.40
Button: $456.20
SB: $201
BB: $196

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $9</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $32</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($69, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $50</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($169, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $98</font>, Button calls.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($365, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button is all-in $276.2</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $276.2 returned to Button.

Results:
Final pot: $365

Re: Turned set w 33 in 3 bet pot, flush river
 

I don´t like the flopcallturndonk play, I´d prob. fold to flopbet but as played I´d rather go for a CRAI on turn.
But if insisting on betting I would def. bet more on turn here!

Re: Turned set w 33 in 3 bet pot, flush river
 

Something was definately funked up w/ me this hand. CRAI on turn seems standard for sure. What can we put villain on here he is 17/12.5 AKd AQd or 55 obv what range am I missing, AA-qq? Honestly having hard time figuring villain for a hand here other than ak aqd

Re: Turned set w 33 in 3 bet pot, flush river
 

badumpp. Anyone call this river? Seems like this call would require a read to me, thoughts??

Re: Turned set w 33 in 3 bet pot, flush river
 

Fold PF. As played I either crai on the turn or lead for more. I just push river instead of checking.

Re: Turned set w 33 in 3 bet pot, flush river
 

c/r turn

Re: Turned set w 33 in 3 bet pot, flush river
 

easy check raise the turn

As played, bet the river
As played, its close but I may fold

Re: Turned set w 33 in 3 bet pot, flush river
 

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Fold PF. As played I either crai on the turn or lead for more. I just push river instead of checking.

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You push AI on river?? What do you put villain on to make that play? What is villain calling with other the made flush/strait?

Re: Turned set w 33 in 3 bet pot, flush river
 

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easy check raise the turn

As played, bet the river
As played, its close but I may fold

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So your saying its close between bettting out or b/f and just c/f to ai?

Re: Turned set w 33 in 3 bet pot, flush river
 

Im saying that you should be betting the river and probably folding to a raise.

Given that you didnt bet the river your decision whether to call his AI is close

Re: Turned set w 33 in 3 bet pot, flush river
 

Can someone help figure out villains range in this hand with me? I know 55 and AK diamonds show up obv, but what else, like hands were beating?

Re: Turned set w 33 in 3 bet pot, flush river
 

I like betting $150 on the turn. A lot of villains tense up with an overpair to the board here fearing the worst and then call a lot of rivers but like nobody just outright folds if you lead the turn.

Re: Turned set w 33 in 3 bet pot, flush river
 

Villains 17/12.5 CRAI on turn is best, imo. Why shove the river though?? Seems far from optimal move here... As played I cant put villain on a hand that I beat by the river, any care to offer suggestions on villains poss holdings

Re: Turned set w 33 in 3 bet pot, flush river
 

yeah I think a checkraise on the turn is mandatory there. He doesnt have any combination of cards with a five that often isoing UTG+1. even if he does wtv. you still have some equity for the riv but I think you have to try to get it in on the turn. You stomp his range and are ahead of his calling range too. As played I would bet the riv if he s not prone to riv. bluff raise, which most people arent.

Re: Turned set w 33 in 3 bet pot, flush river
 

by the river I think its fairly likely villain has AdKd, could have gotten a little big aggro isoing you with JdKd JdTd or soemthing like that possibly, but by the river a lot of his calling hands from the turn would be instachecks showdown on riv like AA or KK, QQ woulda maybe shove. The range of hands villain is shoving on the river there would consist almost purely of hands you cant beat no?.

Re: Turned set w 33 in 3 bet pot, flush river
 

you beat AA/KK/hearts/QhXh, bet more on turn so you can shove the river, you really shouldn't worry about flushes in 3-bet pots unless it's a four-flush board

Re: Turned set w 33 in 3 bet pot, flush river
 

So its possible that he turned his AA KK into a bluff(maybe thinks its good??) w the strait on board, thinking I might lay down strait, is that likely?

Re: Turned set w 33 in 3 bet pot, flush river
 

that is fairly unlikely no. If he were a thinking opponent which most 17/12 s are he s not going to do that he ll realise those hands have showdown value. I dont think that ever happens, I may be wrong though.

Re: Turned set w 33 in 3 bet pot, flush river
 

As a 17/12 player I never ever have 5's or in fact any hand with a 5 in it here pf.

Pf his range for me is at a push 1010-AA AK AKs AQs and thats probably wide.

I think with no set you have to fold the flop or at least do somthing rather than calling whether lead or cr.

As played I think he either has AKs AQs QQ and thats it a small chance of a bluff, AA and KK if I am him I check behind.

The problem with leading the river is any bet you make commits you, cant see any reason to put in 300bb's + and then to fold for 100 more in a huge pot.

Re: Turned set w 33 in 3 bet pot, flush river
 

The problem with leading the river is any bet you make commits you, cant see any reason to put in 300bb's + and then to fold for 100 more in a huge pot.

Exactly, Thats why c/c to protect vs a raise seems better; but that would mean having to call a river bet practically 100% of the time amirite? With the strait on board I cant imagine him betting without the flush or QQ.

Re: Turned set w 33 in 3 bet pot, flush river
 

River is a pretty easy fold.

I think CRAI turn &gt;&gt; bet more on turn &gt;&gt; what u did

Re: Turned set w 33 in 3 bet pot, flush river
 

Oh and yeah flop is wtf ugly

Re: Turned set w 33 in 3 bet pot, flush river
 

Here you looking at villains preflop 3-betting range, hoping he has an overpair, and c/rai-ing the turn, to which we think (and hope) villains will call with an overpair. Thats my take.

Re: Turned set w 33 in 3 bet pot, flush river
 

Is it bad that I probably just shove river?