River Schmiver
 

4/8 live hands.

Hand #1- Villain is MP. Plays nearly every hand, never raises PF just limps in or CCs any raise.

5 limpers to Hero on BTn with T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and raises, blinds both fold, rest of limpers call. 6 ways.

(11 Sbs) Flop comes 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] All check to Hero who bets, folded MP who calls, HJ calls, rest fold. 3 ways.

(7 BBs) Turn comes 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] checked to hero who bets, both call

(10 BBs) River comes the T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] MP now wakes up & Bets, HJ Folds, Hero?
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Hand #2 Different table. Villain is (UTG)Older man who is very passive. He always limps in and limped QQ on a hand. Never raises anything PF.

UTG limps in, Hero is UTG+1 with Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and Raises, folded to CO who calls, BTn(Weak woman) calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls. 6 ways

(11 SBs) Flop comes 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Checked to Hero who bets, BTn calls, BB folds, UTG calls. 3 ways

(7 BBs) Turn comes the K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG checks, Hero bets, BTn folds, UTG calls. HU

(9 BBs) River comes the 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG checks. Hero bets, UTG now loudly announces "raise", Hero?

Re: River Schmiver
 

1) raise, call a 3bet

2) call and probably muck

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1) easy raise

2) 11 BB pot, have to call

Re: River Schmiver
 

Hand 1 is a very clear river raise.

As hard as it is to give the villain a hand in Hand 2, it's even harder to put him on a hand that we beat. This is a live low-limit game, and the villain stands out as passive even among that group.

If villain will misread his hand 1 out of 11 times, then I guess we have a call, but I really think there's no way we're winning this one.

-McGee

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i turbo muck riv in hand 2. tell him that his 8's are good.

dont call big street CRs from passive old men. dont think about "11:1 that he's bluffing the river". rather, you should think, "is there a 10% chance he would C/C the flop, turn, and CR the river with hand we beat?" i doubt it.


obv raise riv in hand 1.

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Hand #1- I did raise the river, he now 3 bets me fairly fast

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Hand #1- I did raise the river, he now 3 bets me fairly fast

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call.

Re: River Schmiver
 

I re-raise hand 1. Think of it from the Villian's perspective. What hand would he put YOU on? Sets are hard to read. Odds are that he has put you on a premium pair and he has 2 pair. Small str8 is very unlikely.

2nd hand is "read dependant." You know the kind... the geezer you can count on to have it every time. If he is that guy you know he has it, fold.

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I did just call and he showed me the str8 with 47o that he made on the turn. I insta-mucked BTW. He checks the turn, I bet out and he just calls??? Whatever, guess he ewa afraid of my possible BDF [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]NOT

Hand #2-I hate to say it but I folded the river. I can count on one hand the times I have used the B/F line but this was one. I really hated to do it in this size pot but when the 1,000 yr old man c/rs us,hmmmmmmmmmmmm? He too showed a cheese str8 with his 69o. Doh!

Re: River Schmiver
 

hand 1 is an easy river raise. I would call the 3 I guess, but I'm close to 4-betting; wouldn't 74 have thrown in a raise on the turn?

hand 2 is a fold for the reason kit gave; when a passive old guy loudly c/r river you are smoked.

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Hand #2-I hate to say it but I folded the river.

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Frond, why do you hate to say that? Folding the river properly is one of the most difficult things for people to learn to do.

-McGee

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Hand #1- I did raise the river, he now 3 bets me fairly fast

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Folding can't be right. He has 66,55,33, too often.

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Side note: I was playing 8/16 @ Hawaiian Gardens Saturday and one of the big screen TV's was playing Babar cartoons instead of football. I suggested to the floorman that I would rather watch the UCLA game instead of a Babar cartoon. I was berated by two players for even KNOWING WHO BABAR was! lol.

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Hand #2-I hate to say it but I folded the river. I can count on one hand the times I have used the B/F line

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dude.

this is a leak, the b/f is a huge weapon for you that like 99% of players dont possess.

i recommend you post some hands for critique where you had the option of b/f.

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Hand #2-Well I guess I now have acquired the B/F weapon without realizing it [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img].

I guess sometimes it just doesn't feel right when you look at the pot size. We all hate folding in a big pot to a bet on the river. Kind of goes back to what Bernie mentioned in his well about people being blinded by the pot size when we have an obvious player do something obvious like he did here. Well, I feel a lot better with my play now.

Hand #1 I still play the same.

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fishyak, they know you're on to something. fight the power! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Side note: I was playing 8/16 @ Hawaiian Gardens Saturday and one of the big screen TV's was playing Babar cartoons instead of football. I suggested to the floorman that I would rather watch the UCLA game instead of a Babar cartoon. I was berated by two players for even KNOWING WHO BABAR was! lol.

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old school cartoons are the nuts and anyone who thinks otherwise is a tool. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

-Kit Cloudkicker, Higher for Hire

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I think I have to four bet hand one if he trizzes me. As a matter of fact, I just made a side bet with myself that he has 66 (or maybe 33, but I really think its 66). Do you think you're beating most of his range? Absolutely! This is not usually, but a vast majority of the time in my experience 66, 33, 55 and maybe QT. Maybe like, what, 10-15% of the time he has a straight. I think you should have lost more money here.

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OneOuter, I'll take that bet with you [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img], A few posts earlier I said that he had 47o for the turned str8. When villain turns on and bets into me all of a sudden on the river and then fairly quickly 3 bets me I think a call is better here.

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Before reading the results I suspected a 74o straight in hand 1. This is low limit hold'em, after all. In hand two I wouldn't be surprised to see villain show up with 96s for another improbable straight. Everyone wants to be Daniel Negreanu. Why, I have no idea. But they do.