Potential 2+2 Books: Short-handed NLHE, Heads-up NLHE, and PLO
 

Mason made an interesting annoucement in this month's Two Plus Two Internet Magazine:


As for books, in addition to the two Harrington on Cash Game volumes and the second book in the Professional No-Limit Hold 'em series which all should be released in the first few months of 2008, we are in discussions concerning another no-limit hold 'em book that would include much material on short-handed play, a no-limit book for heads-up play, and a pot-limit Omaha book. But notice I said "we are in discussions." Nothing here is guaranteed, but we are looking into it.

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ah sounds great, thanks

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so the HU book and the short handed book are the same book or different ones they're discussing?

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I think it is clear that it is one short handed no limit book and a head up no limit book that are going to be produced seperately.

I am hoping that that all three titles are good enough to be released with very little editing. or at that minimum one editing/rewriting period.

I am drooling at the prospects of what I can learn..
short handed no limit, that will help me start to be good at the six handed tables at full tilt in time.
and help me along with my sit and go book (if it ever get shipped by amazon) help me with getting short handed in my sit an goes.(which I only play for play chips right now).

the no limit heads up book will help me with my sit and goes as well plus when I go heads up in a regular game when it goes to the turn?.

the pot limit book on omaha I personally believe is a much needed addition to the two plus two libary of much needed subjects that havent been covered.
in fact all these subjects are.

I am looking forward to the pot limit book for i expect if it comes to fruitation, that some leaks in my game will be plugged up and i wont be going from 30000 to 3 million and back down over night

the only thing i can think of, is , if these books are not written by a well known poker player we will invariably hear the people from the pot limit, no limit forums asking why mason didn't bump the book off their minds to see if they see it as a good book or not as well.

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the pot limit book on omaha I personally believe is a much needed addition to the two plus two libary of much needed subjects that havent been covered.

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QFT

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that is retarded, why... even though i am shorthanded and heads up expert in NLHE (and have played PLO regularly up to 200/400), and have even already written a book on this exact topic... i was rejected as a prospect for writing this 2+2 book?

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that is retarded, why... even though i am shorthanded and heads up expert in NLHE (and have played PLO regularly up to 200/400), and have even already written a book on this exact topic... i was rejected as a prospect for writing this 2+2 book?

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Danny,

Nothing says you cannot submit your manuscript to Mason. He may refuse to read it but it can't hurt. The Sit N' Go book by Colin Moshman hit #1 on Amazon's poker list and was a blind submission to 2+2.

Mason, Danny/theBruiser500/fatgirl_lover is a known high-stakes no-limit poster. I have not read his manuscript, but Jay states it's good and he is a known HSNL poster whom I respect.

Matt

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I am very curious about this since, IMO, the PLO and HU-NLHE books would have difficulty finding an audience.

All recent 2+2 releases addressed games popular with the "masses" [NL Tourneys (Harrington), NL Cash, SnGs, Limit shorthand, etc]. No matter how good, I doubt a PLO or HU-NLHE book could approach recent 2+2 sales.

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It will be very difficult to write an effective plo book because even the basics of starting hands are difficult to explain. jt86 ss may out play kkq4 ss versus the ranges of some players, but no book would tell people that jt86 ss is a higher ranked hand. Additionally, a fair amount of PLO involves saying well both players got it in correctly here. A book on PLO will spend much less time on bet sizing for the obvious reasons.

I will not mind seeing a PLO book out on the market, but the truth is that people who play PLO a lot will not buy the book because no book can answer the question, Should I fold middle set here?

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that is retarded, why... even though i am shorthanded and heads up expert in NLHE (and have played PLO regularly up to 200/400), and have even already written a book on this exact topic... i was rejected as a prospect for writing this 2+2 book?

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Sup Danny!

2+2 is in the position at this stage where Mason has the freedom of requiring manuscripts to be submitted in order to be considered for publication. I think thats a fair trade off considering the royalty that he pays is higher than industry standards; he tends to protect the author financially. Send him your manuscript, you have nothing to loose except a little bit of pride if your manuscript is rejected or a whole lot of pride if its accepted and he requires a rewrite. Good luck mate, it would be bizarrely poetic if Mason accepts your submission.

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i sent it to him and he said

Hi Danny:

I'm sorry but we are completely committed for the foreseable future. There is no way we can even look at your book. So I suggest you try another publisher.

Worst wishes,

Mason Malmuth

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I didn't write:

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Worst wishes

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Please enjoy your vacation.

MM

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ROFLMAO

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Please enjoy your vacation.

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Ouch.

I'm pretty sure everybody here knew what you really wrote.

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Please enjoy your vacation.

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Ouch.

I'm pretty sure everybody here knew what you really wrote.

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Yeah, but it seemed like every second thread in here was being hit by his "I'm awesome, wait until my book comes out" posts. BTW, I sure hope the book is written better than his posts.

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Please enjoy your vacation.

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Ouch.

I'm pretty sure everybody here knew what you really wrote.

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Yeah, but it seemed like every second thread in here was being hit by his "I'm awesome, wait until my book comes out" posts. BTW, I sure hope the book is written better than his posts.

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Well I'd pay to read Danny's book ... holla! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Bobbo,

How close to being finished is your long awaited book?

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Would definitely be interested in what bruiser has to say in his book.
But wow does that dude sound bitter.

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Would definitely be interested in what bruiser has to say in his book.
But wow does that dude sound bitter.

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The more he goes on and on the less I want to even look at his book.

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Bobbo,

How close to being finished is your long awaited book?

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I'm resubmitting in December. Then it's beyond my control.

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Hi Everyone:

We have just made the decision not to pursue the PLO manuscript we were looking at. So at this moment, Two Plus Two does not have a PLO book in its plans, and given all our other current committments, it will probably stay that way for a while.

Best wishes,
Mason

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that is so bad , I was greatly looking forward to an pol limit book for advanced players .

could you give some tips for pot limit manuscripts future submitters what it is that you are looking for.
perhaps post that on the pot limit omaha forum, and then in about a year someone will submit an well written omaha book.

I can only hope the decisions when it comes time to make them for the heads up and short handed books are more favourable.
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that is retarded, why... even though i am shorthanded and heads up expert in NLHE (and have played PLO regularly up to 200/400), and have even already written a book on this exact topic... i was rejected as a prospect for writing this 2+2 book?

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Dude, there is no shortage of poker book publishers.

It's a well known fact that Cardoza will publish anything.

You should have no problem getting your manuscript published if it's even half as good as you say it is.

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another no-limit hold 'em book that would include much material on short-handed play, a no-limit book for heads-up play,

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I would love to buy these books. 6-max and heads up cash games are an under-represented area in poker literature because they don't spread these games in most live casinos. But with the global appeal of on-line gaming where 6-max and heads up cash games are very popular, I think it's time to get some good theoretical as well as practical material published on the subjects.

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A short handed NL book would be awesome!! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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A short handed NL book would be awesome!! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Killer Poker Shorthanded, probably good to very good.

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A short handed NL book would be awesome!! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Killer Poker Shorthanded, probably good to very good.

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Or probably crappy to very crappy like the rest of his books. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Ok, to be fair I only read a couple chapters of the book and skimmed the rest but I was not impressed at all.

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I am very curious about this since, IMO, the PLO and HU-NLHE books would have difficulty finding an audience.

All recent 2+2 releases addressed games popular with the "masses" [NL Tourneys (Harrington), NL Cash, SnGs, Limit shorthand, etc]. No matter how good, I doubt a PLO or HU-NLHE book could approach recent 2+2 sales.

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Anyone want to guess how much one could make off writing a good PLO book?

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I am very curious about this since, IMO, the PLO and HU-NLHE books would have difficulty finding an audience.

All recent 2+2 releases addressed games popular with the "masses" [NL Tourneys (Harrington), NL Cash, SnGs, Limit shorthand, etc]. No matter how good, I doubt a PLO or HU-NLHE book could approach recent 2+2 sales.

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Anyone want to guess how much one could make off writing a good PLO book?

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I thought this was the best PLO book ever written.

EuroRounders

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