10/25 tough spot vs. clowntown
 

clownTown is at seat 0 with $2597.
swipesville is at seat 1 with $3016.50 (sitting out).
papaGEORGIOOO is at seat 2 with $3743.
Scratch_Hdcp is at seat 3 with $440.
stealthcow is at seat 4 with $2662.
wolfdog2121 is at seat 5 with $2490.
The button is at seat 2.

Scratch_Hdcp posts the small blind of $10.
stealthcow posts the big blind of $25.

clownTown: -- --
papaGEORGIOOO: -- --
Scratch_Hdcp: -- --
stealthcow: 7h 8h
wolfdog2121: -- --

Pre-flop:

wolfdog2121 folds. clownTown raises to $85.
papaGEORGIOOO folds. Scratch_Hdcp folds. stealthcow
calls.

Flop (board: 4s 2h 6h):

stealthcow checks. clownTown checks.

Turn (board: 4s 2h 6h 5c):

stealthcow bets $150. clownTown calls.

River (board: 4s 2h 6h 5c Th):
stealthcow bets $300. clownTown raises to $1380.

normally i play 5/10 so i dont think clowntown has many hands on me. I have him as roughly a 28/22. I think he views me as a standard tag who has been defending quite a bit recently

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it's [censored] bruiser, fold

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wtfffffffff callllll

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it's [censored] bruiser, fold

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wow really?

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I was really lost on this hand the whole way through. The only hands i beat that i can see raising this river are A3o and 87o.

But he'll be raising those a good % of the time on the turn

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call all day IMO, he could easily be turning a weak made hand into a bluff, something like a weak pair which he checked behind on the flop or mayyyybe even a-high. Plus, i doubt he checks behind a fd rather than c-betting.

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I fold

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wtfffffffff callllll

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agreed, hes gotta CB hearts on the flop, no?

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You bet a scared 300 into a ~500 pot on the river your hand looks weaker than it actually is, I feel like he's decided that you don't have the flush here. And is very likely raising lesser hands for value or just trying to push you off. So call.

And yea, no C-bet on the flop def. leans towards calling as well.

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i would prob just call and not value shove

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i just cant fold here, though it does kinda make my head spin.

call

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i fold but im not going to tell you why. and no i dont know bruiser's hand.

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i fold but im not going to tell you why. and no i dont know bruiser's hand.

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durr on prevs account?

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the bolivians taught ashman how to check in position

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i fold but im not going to tell you why. and no i dont know bruiser's hand.

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i recall an old thread (back when bruiser was active) where diablo talked about how checking nfd on the flop could lead to winning big pots cuz opponents end up not giving credit for it after the flop-check. anyone else remember that thread?

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shhhh but you're on the right track

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o god pls stop.

this may be worse for the games than when strassa posts some awesome post

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Snap call

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i fold but im not going to tell you why. and no i dont know bruiser's hand.

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i recall an old thread (back when bruiser was active) where diablo talked about how checking nfd on the flop could lead to winning big pots cuz opponents end up not giving credit for it after the flop-check. anyone else remember that thread?

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Sweet I'll have to work the old "not c-bet the nut flush draw on the flop in pos., call 3/4 pot on turn and then raise the river when I hit(but make sure the other guy has a flush in this spot too tho otherwise he won't call ldo!)"-play into my game.

lol @ slowplaying flush draws.

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Wow people are seriously folding this wtf.

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no one is folding this, cmon.

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Thanks for all the responses, I honestly dont remember the last time i was this lost during a hand.

Can those that say fold expand on their reasoning a bit more, pls?

I dont mind if he checks behind QJhh or J9hh type hands on the flop. As for checking behind nut flush draws- I dont see how that can be the best play.

For those advocating fold- Does anyone want me to c/c the river here? I was having a lot of trouble putting him on a hand that could pay me off on the river (other then the oddly played 33 A3 or 78)


Those who are advocating calls - if i bet 400 does it make it more of a fold? Do you think villain is value raising worse here or that he's putting me on 2pr/ set and that he can knock me off my hand?

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the checking behind flush draw reminds me of the fwf thread with the CR river bluff where- i think fsu- owns his soul

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yeah i remember this hand kind of, it actually took me a few minutes to rethink the hand and remember what i had. stealhcow, could you tell me what my image is in that game? am i respected, thought of as unpredictable, loose or tight? i have a history of being a tight, passive and unimaginative player.

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He's not bluffing because it's really hard to put him on any of the hands he's representing, but I call anyway because all but the weakest/tightest players would value-raise worse.

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He's not bluffing because it's really hard to put him on any of the hands he's representing, but I call anyway because all but the weakest/tightest players would value-raise worse.

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thanks J_V- thats pretty much where my line of thought is now




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yeah i remember this hand kind of, it actually took me a few minutes to rethink the hand and remember what i had. stealhcow, could you tell me what my image is in that game? am i respected, thought of as unpredictable, loose or tight? i have a history of being a tight, passive and unimaginative player.

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Overall i had only been at the table for maybe 40 hands when it came up. You seemed to be opening in the co every time but otherwise didnt' seem to laggy. I had 3bet you 1-2x and you folded to my cbets pretty quickly.

please tell me what you had so i can sleep better at night, lol

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wow, didnt know who clowntown was. im gonna feel obligated to call him down now.

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gross spot with the way the hand played down. I mean you have the nut straight on the turn and on the river you've got a flush. Board looks super scary for anything worse than a straight. I actually wouldn't mind ppl advocating a fold if we only had the straight but in the given scenario I don't think there is much space for a fold unless you have information about Villian that aren't presented yet. We are still beating a few Flushcombos and he could become fancy with AhX. I call here against unknowns with more information you can make an argument for a fold but without further knowledge you have to call her imho.