50-1 HU vs doodlefish
 

as far as doodlefish, i havent played him much, but i always see him sitting 10-20 25-50 HU, and he was playing me HU 25-50 6max table, and then someone sat, and he asked if id do HU, and i said sure only 50-1 though, so he might be out of his comfort zone a bit, not sure if that makes too much of a difference.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $50/$100 Blinds - 2 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero: $9,850.00
DoodleFish: $10,150.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero calls $50.00, DoodleFish checks

Flop: ($200) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">DoodleFish bets $100.00</font>, Hero calls $100.00

Turn: ($400) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">DoodleFish bets $300.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $975.00</font>, <font color="red">DoodleFish raises to $2,600.00</font>, Hero calls $1,625.00

River: ($5600) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">DoodleFish bets $5,600.00</font>,
[i]Hero ?


thoughts on everything, though what im mainly interested in is the turn, i want to know how many ppl like a 4 bet here. ok thats it.

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I think I would play everything the same, and then toss a coin on the river....I think id lean towards calling

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yeah i agree. i think a big part of this river is how aggressive he is OOP. vs most who would definitely raise 77 and 55 preflop, this is a pretty easy call since you really only lose to 68. Otherwise, it becomes much much closer.

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i like preflop fwiw and i think the turn is standard. on the river (given the same line as played), im interested to know if people are calling a PSB on a 2h, 3h, 4h etc river card. i think its definitely a fold as played, and think it should be a fold on blanks too (assuming its a PSB).

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yeah i agree. i think a big part of this river is how aggressive he is OOP. vs most who would definitely raise 77 and 55 preflop, this is a pretty easy call since you really only lose to 68. Otherwise, it becomes much much closer.

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I don't know how big impact him raising 77/55 or not preflop have. It's only 4 combos and 86 is 16. K9 is 6 more combos you're behind. So removing 4 combos from the 26 you're behind, does it really mean that much?

This seems like a fold to me, but obv I'm not playing anywhere near those limits...

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i just dont know if he 3-bets K9 on the turn that often, but fair enough. The other thing is given the action, it seems a bit less likely for him to full pot 86 than a boat or a bluff. Not saying he wouldn't, but I don't think the math comes down to pure combinations... you should consider frequency and with that, sets do matter a bit more. But fair point.

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If this was 10-20 or 25-50, I'd put a bluff in his range more often, but at 50-100, I think he's out of his comfort zone and his bluffing frequency will be severely diminished.

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If this was 10-20 or 25-50, I'd put a bluff in his range more often, but at 50-100, I think he's out of his comfort zone and his bluffing frequency will be severely diminished.

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fwiw i think the exact opposite.

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If this was 10-20 or 25-50, I'd put a bluff in his range more often, but at 50-100, I think he's out of his comfort zone and his bluffing frequency will be severely diminished.

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fwiw i think the exact opposite.

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yeah we're not all nits like you dali

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I bought WC3 last night. So far, I usually end up with a 1/4 K/D record by the end of DOTA. Are you any good???

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what are you ahead of?

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If this was 10-20 or 25-50, I'd put a bluff in his range more often, but at 50-100, I think he's out of his comfort zone and his bluffing frequency will be severely diminished.

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fwiw i think the exact opposite.

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“zomg NERVOUS zomg look at CHIPS zomguhhhh BET!!!”

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raptor, you're a very unique HU player and it's really tough to describe what to do on the turn. the reason is because limping like that is simply not apart of my game, so it's hard to create this sort of dynamic (ie, what range he's min bet donking on the flop, bc his cards there are obv 100% minus whatever he hasnt been raising OOP with)

really I dont think a 4bet is good because it overreps your hand. he may go busto with k5 or 75 but most of the time the money goes in you're in trouble.

really the raise is needed and once he 3bets i liek calling and taking a river, like you did.

id probably fold the river also, but i have a feelign you called and crushed his soul.

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yeah i agree. i think a big part of this river is how aggressive he is OOP. vs most who would definitely raise 77 and 55 preflop, this is a pretty easy call since you really only lose to 68. Otherwise, it becomes much much closer.

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Why not K9? 97?

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i just dont know if he 3-bets K9 on the turn that often, but fair enough. The other thing is given the action, it seems a bit less likely for him to full pot 86 than a boat or a bluff. Not saying he wouldn't, but I don't think the math comes down to pure combinations... you should consider frequency and with that, sets do matter a bit more. But fair point.

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you serious? I may be going on a hunch but raptor isnt open limping 55, 77, 99 too? K9 is like the 2nd nuts in my mind in that pot, and raptor can be raising the turn with a lot of weaker hands or semibluffs, it's a small pot. id fire a 3bet easy for clear value in villains shoes with k9.

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If this was 10-20 or 25-50, I'd put a bluff in his range more often, but at 50-100, I think he's out of his comfort zone and his bluffing frequency will be severely diminished.

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fwiw i think the exact opposite.

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“zomg NERVOUS zomg look at CHIPS zomguhhhh BET!!!”

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lol, good post.

i agree with the others though, when people are out of their comfort zones (but are good regulars IN their cmofort zones) they normally have out-of-whack aggression frequencies, so a weird bluff here (ESPECIALLY for full pot) def. is something that is possible.

however, id fold.

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Hands that make sense to have you beat are 55/77/97/95/68, and I think they're all fairly likely given how the hand played out. I'm with everyone else, turn looks good, river is disgusting, and with no reads and no history I'd flip a coin...
have you seen him pot river before like that while playing with him in the other games? I sorta have trouble believing he's doing it with a full boat, then again it's not exactly impossible either. On the turn he was saying that your K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]x [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] was no good, and on the river that's exactly what you have, but being there you're the only one who can decide if you believe him.

Kirk

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ez call ez shippin

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i'd probably get it in on the turn because you have the second strongest hand that he could expect you to have given that you flatted the flop and limped pre.

however, i would prob fold this river, becuase i think the 9 hits a fairly strong portion of his semi-bluffing range, and i would imagine the nine would look like a good card to you, lessening his bluff %

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I'd play it the same on the flop and turn. I don't think a turn 4bet would be good. I think I'd fold the river though. I think K9 and 86 are his most likely hands and the 9 would be an awkward card to bluff so I doubt he would.

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If this was 10-20 or 25-50, I'd put a bluff in his range more often, but at 50-100, I think he's out of his comfort zone and his bluffing frequency will be severely diminished.

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fwiw i think the exact opposite.

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yeah we're not all nits like you dali

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Truer words...

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Played the same. Snap call. Like real snap, like tapping the call button..

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Played the same. Snap call. Like real snap, like tapping the call button..

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No reads provided, Villain is (probably) a winning HS player who lead flop/3-bet turn/and is now potting river, and you snap call in a limped pot with just a bluff-catcher. Not saying you're wrong, of course, but would be curious to see a thought process.

Kirk

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Just simply feel like villain has a boat or a busted draw and there's obv a toooooooooooon of busted draws... but like I guess I'm also assuming villain is an unknown (he is, to me..) and is oblivious (somewhat) to the fact that the river card is a bad one to bluff at...

That... plus I'm a station..

AND... I"m drunk... so I'm obv gonna take my first instinct and claim its 100% right all day all night..

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Plusssssssss... doodle pretty much needs 55 or 77 or K9 here to have a boat... and have checked it pf... do you really think he 3bets turn all day with anything else?

Aaaaaaaaaaaand... his name is "doodlefish"... i mean [censored] call..

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97 is most likely hand if we are beat imo

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I think I would play everything the same, and then toss a coin on the river....I think id fold

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I make a crying fold here

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why is 97 more likely than 86? cos of flop half pot/minbet lead?

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my first instinct was to fold and thinking about it isnt making me lean towards call at all so yeah i fizzold.

i also just call the turn 3b.

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I like the hand, sucks when the pot isn't raised pf with non nut 2pair..All of a sudden 100bb is so deep.. With the way the hand played down it's very unlikely the 9 improved his range (9X is less likely on that board and so 95 is the only real combo there). Assuming he is somewhat straightforward with his pocketpairs (99 and 77 is a clear raise 55 is a little closer. I conclude that the most likely holding is a straight or busted draw (combo draws with clubs can be a huge part of that range). River makes it less likely that he is holding K9 but it's still a terrible card because it also improved 95 but it definaltey looks worse than it actually is because you will almost never ever see a better KingKicker. It all comes down to your gutfeeling and the way he plays his Pocketpairs pf. With a blank on the river this would be an easy call for me, now that a few hands improved and he shows strenght again I lean towards a fold but as I mentioned if you see him raising those Pocketpairs PF then it becomes very close to a call because of the many busted flushdraw possibilities and the "Hey-I-Can-Swim-With-The-Sharks"-FancyPlaySyndrom.

Nice call tho

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my first instinct was to fold and thinking about it isnt making me lean towards call at all so yeah i fizzold.

i also just call the turn 3b.

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This is pretty much exactly how I feel about it. My only reservation is that I agree w/ Raptor that playing higher would actually make him have a higher bluff frequency. I usually play 5/10 and 10/20, and I know when I play 25/50 sometimes I fight too hard for pots and make too much of an effort to make sure that i'm not "playing scared money" even though I'd prob play the hand more conservatively at a lower level.

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results?

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If this was 10-20 or 25-50, I'd put a bluff in his range more often, but at 50-100, I think he's out of his comfort zone and his bluffing frequency will be severely diminished.

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fwiw i think the exact opposite.

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......... aren't u durrrr's "partner" or "housemate" ------ just ask him hes pretty decent riiight (u know what i mean [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]) Hit the M to the J if u got any other poker questions I can answer.

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weird post !

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weird post !

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Ya i know, this is a weird post, u know whats even weirder? I hear there is some roleplaying at the rapdurrian pad where raptor plays a raptor (no duhhh) and durrrr plays a hungry (if u know what i mean [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]) t-rex which wants to eat the raptor (if u know what i mean [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]).

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Call, he had a busted draw right?

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He's just got to have 97 or 95, why else would he 3bet on the turn? However I would most deff cry call here because the 9 is just that ugly.

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if i was you my thought process would go something like "hm, this makes no sense, i have top pair....CALL"