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erbbysam 09-29-2007 06:07 PM

uNL gods need help
 
So this month started off as one as the best one ever...
I made a post here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...41#Post12137341
with my graph of the month so far:
http://www.erbbysam.com/img/sept.jpg
And since then, the worst downswing of my life has happened:
http://www.erbbysam.com/img/graphs/finalsept.jpg
http://www.erbbysam.com/img/graphs/finalsept2.jpg
I'm calling on the uNL gods to reveres this curse that is the Full Tilt doomswitch.
obligatory BBV:
Brag:1st month in college
Brag: moved up to 50NL this month
Beat: was forced back down to 25NL
Beat: down $62
Varience: expecting $70 in rakeback?
What it do?

Just from today:
against a 55/37/8:
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $10.65
BB: $23.25
UTG: $32.15
Hero (MP): $23.30
CO: $42.05
BTN: $52.25

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.85</font>, CO calls $0.85, 2 folds, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.65) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $2.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5.00</font>, CO folds, BB calls $2.50

Turn: ($12.65) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets all-in for $17.40</font>, Hero calls $17.40

River: ($47.45) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $47.45 ($2.35 Rake)

BB had A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high) and WON (+$21.85)
Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Jacks) and LOST (-$23.25)

and ick.... against a solid player but was obviously using position on me over 2 tables
Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $20.70
BB: $26.95
Hero (UTG): $34.05
MP: $63.50
CO: $35.40
BTN: $24.30

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $0.85</font>, MP calls $0.85, 3 folds, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.65) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $2.00</font>, MP calls $2.00, BB folds

Turn: ($6.65) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $5.00</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $14.00</font>, Hero calls $9.00

River: ($34.65) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $17.20</font>, MP calls $17.20

Pot Size: $69.05 ($3 Rake)

MP had 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a straight, Ten high) and WON (+$32.00)
Hero had K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ([Kd Ts] two pair, Kings and Tens) and LOST (-$34.05)

...each hand was 5 min. apart... last time I post graphs here [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

mookboi 09-29-2007 06:14 PM

Re: uNL gods need help
 
Hand 1: Bigger raise on flop. Otherwise, standard.
Hand 2: I fold this preflop. And I like to play hands preflop, but this is just trash. KT UTG is a good way to get in trouble. I don't really like firing again on this turn, but there's some merit to it I guess. Anyways, after he raises, I dump this. I would probably fold AT in this spot. Baluga FTW. River standard.

What's the point of this post anyway? You aren't looking for advice, and this is a strategy forum, not BBV. This kinda stuff can be posted in the Official uNL BBV thread, as well as the Microbrew (maybe). In before lock.

brandysbich 09-29-2007 06:22 PM

Re: uNL gods need help
 
Hand 1 raise more on the flop, make it 8, get it in on non club turn...you got sucked out on..big deal.

Hand 2 Fold the turn if you say he's a decent player, you ahead of exactly QJ J10 which no decent player plays this way. If the same hand is played against a donk get it in on the turn, theres not many safe cards that can fall on the river and if he picked up an extra draw on the turn make him pay with his stack for it

The Mayo 09-29-2007 06:43 PM

Re: uNL gods need help
 
1. Copy all of Pokey's essays into a Word document.
2. Go to Kinko's and get a copy professionally bound.
3. Profit!!!

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9...keybookxx4.jpg

RichAM 09-29-2007 07:18 PM

Re: uNL gods need help
 
y did i just get a hard on after seeing that ... awesome man

Ratamahatta 09-29-2007 07:26 PM

Re: uNL gods need help
 
haha, I wanna do the same with CTS' old blog.

Edit: OP, you play bad. Play/post/study more. Your "downswing" is probably when you run normal.

BrunoThePug 09-29-2007 07:32 PM

Re: uNL gods need help
 
The pokey book is awesome.

guitarizt 09-29-2007 07:38 PM

Re: uNL gods need help
 
The Mayo wtf is that yours? Why isn't pokey making these and selling them? Or you could do it and give him a cut.

DaycareInferno 09-29-2007 07:39 PM

Re: uNL gods need help
 
spend less time broadcast pouting luck graphs.

The Mayo 09-29-2007 07:51 PM

Re: uNL gods need help
 
[ QUOTE ]
The Mayo wtf is that yours? Why isn't pokey making these and selling them? Or you could do it and give him a cut.

[/ QUOTE ]
The book is mine. I made it myself. (One of the advantages of working for The UPS Store - employee discounts ftw!) I wouldn't make and sell them without Pokey's permission. But if he didn't mind, I'd be happy to make more and give Pokey all the profits. It'd be the least I could do to thank him for his brilliant posting.

Pokerdemic 09-29-2007 08:15 PM

Re: uNL gods need help
 
If you are in a downswing, fold KTo UTG. you should probably fold it anyway unless game conditions are favorable.

hennnerz 09-29-2007 08:50 PM

Re: uNL gods need help
 
lol ban

SlickVic 09-29-2007 09:30 PM

Re: uNL gods need help
 
OMG I want a Pokey book that's awesome. lol

To OP: I think you're main problem is you're forgetting to consider your opponent. And I don't mean just look at his HUD stats and come to the conclusion that "he's a fish, so i'm ahead almost always so i'll stack off with TP on any board." I mean consider WHY he makes the plays he does, consider his motivation for doing the things he does.

For example, in hand 1 he obviously likes the monotone board or doesn't care so he leads out. He could easily be fast-playing a set or 2pair, or his flush already got there so you're way behind so much already. And by minraising you're giving him good odds to chase his 4 flush draw and pretty much committing him right then and there since 1/2 his stack is already in the pot.

Hand 2 to me is pretty standard. On a tight table, with fish in the blinds, it's really ok to raise hands like KT UTG to mix it up a bit if the table is playing pretty straight-forwardly. They'll assume that your UTG range is tighter and not fight back. Against this kind of resistance on the turn I would throw it away here on a somewhat dry board. This could be a set, or you're racing with an FD.

Really if you just consider villain's motivation behind the action and then measure it against your pot equity you'll be better off and know where you stand post-flop and see less downswongs overall. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

kolotoure 09-29-2007 09:34 PM

Re: uNL gods need help
 
Hand 2 is really bad. Fold turn plz k thx

Student Caine 09-29-2007 09:54 PM

Re: uNL gods need help
 
This really is not that many hands. The All-In luck is frustrating, but check back at 10k, 20k, 30k hands...it is amazing how the luck swings over the short term, but the two lines converge over time.

As far as the hands go:

HAND 1 - Minraises are lame.

HAND 2 - KTo UTG is also lame. Not horrible, but not super strong.

You say that villain is solid. So what do you think he is raising on the turn that you beat?

Chomp 09-29-2007 10:24 PM

Re: uNL gods need help
 
OP, the graph you posted about running well shows how much money you won, whereas the graph you posted about running badly shows how unlucky you were. This is apples and oranges. And I think it shows that you are thinking about the wrong things. IMO you are being results-orientated and displaying bad psychology.

Anther example of bad psychology is when you use the phrase "just from today" to introduce the hands you post as though the hands are the most evil and cruel crap ever dished out. But the fact of the matter is that Hand 1 is a combination of badly played and a totally standard cooler, and Hand 2 is just plain badly played.

And for what it's worth 8,000 hands is a few days poker, not a real sample size. If you are panicking about a 3 day downswing you have a lot of pain in your poker future.

Generally, this thread is a horrorshow.

Colm 09-29-2007 10:51 PM

Re: uNL gods need help
 
that pokey book looks ruling.

The Mayo 09-30-2007 02:52 PM

Re: uNL gods need help
 
Just got a PM from Pokey saying that he's fine with me giving out my file of the Pokey Wisdom book. I can email it to anyone who's interested.

If interested, send an email to dcmayo@gmail.com

It's only 70 pages, and only the cover is in color. You should be able to get a copy printed and bound for less than $15.

erbbysam 09-30-2007 03:31 PM

Re: uNL gods need help
 
ick... looking back on that 2nd hand it was pretty horrible... The only reason that I posted it(and it wasn't shown) was that he actually thought about his call until his timer was almost gone which was a bit of slowroll in my opinion but I guess he could have thought I had JQ... I was still pissed off at the first hand and the week in general also...

I'm going to take a few weeks off and go back through pokey's stuff(may be a good idea to print that out...) and watch a few card runner videos and such and will be back online at some point next month.

I'm also going to try and play longer sessions next month to try and cut down on some of this short term stuff... looking back on my graph my first 20K hands that I played online this summer(just turned 18) were largely without serious swings...theres always another day and another game.

Good luck with you pokey book Mayo [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] email sent.


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