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Keyser. 09-29-2007 05:25 PM

Deep AK flop decision in rr pot, 1.5-3nl
 
No great reads, just sat 15 hands ago. Villain appears somewhat donkish. Stats are 40/8/1.5 over only 30 hands, fwiw.

Probably a fold usually but this guy seems bad. One hand he slowplayed A9 on an AK9hh heart board, minraised a somewhat scary turn then shoved like a Q river against the preflop raiser.

I didn't know this at the time, but later in the session he overbet open shoved for like 2x pot with KQ on an AQx board into 2 players.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1.50/$3 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $397.00
Hero (BB): $595.50
UTG: $955.80
MP: $630.00
CO: $606.40
BTN: $565.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $12.00</font>, 4 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $45.00</font>, UTG calls $33.00

Flop: ($91.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $65.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $130.00</font>, Hero ?

creative 09-29-2007 05:30 PM

Re: Deep AK flop decision in rr pot, 1.5-3nl
 
i call and evaluate turn, i don't think a reraise is good at all

Stefan_K 09-29-2007 05:48 PM

Re: Deep AK flop decision in rr pot, 1.5-3nl
 
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i call and evaluate turn, i don't think a reraise is good at all

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fees 09-29-2007 05:55 PM

Re: Deep AK flop decision in rr pot, 1.5-3nl
 
call.. turn action is far more interesting please post it

Keyser. 09-29-2007 05:55 PM

Re: Deep AK flop decision in rr pot, 1.5-3nl
 
So what happens on turn if he like overbets for "value" with KQ or some random hand? Like when we evaluate turn and a total blank hits and he fires, are we calling down? If a wet card hits (like Qc) are we check/folding? or calling b/c of our FD?

fees 09-29-2007 05:56 PM

Re: Deep AK flop decision in rr pot, 1.5-3nl
 
it depends man.. wtf was the turn

I_WIN_VS_ODDS 09-29-2007 06:00 PM

Re: Deep AK flop decision in rr pot, 1.5-3nl
 
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it depends man.. wtf was the turn

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Nick Royale 09-29-2007 06:00 PM

Re: Deep AK flop decision in rr pot, 1.5-3nl
 
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it depends man.. wtf was the turn

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He just gave you two scenarios, we should have a plan for both.

Keyser. 09-29-2007 06:00 PM

Re: Deep AK flop decision in rr pot, 1.5-3nl
 
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it depends man.. wtf was the turn

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chilll I posted the questions at the same time as you...


Turn is 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], I check he bets $300 in to a $350.

Unknown Soldier 09-29-2007 06:09 PM

Re: Deep AK flop decision in rr pot, 1.5-3nl
 
this guy seriously overvalues hands... why is everyone flatting the flop? I'd get it in there unless he's really bluff happy.

Speedlimits 09-29-2007 06:19 PM

Re: Deep AK flop decision in rr pot, 1.5-3nl
 
I agree with US i 3bomb the flop all day. didn't carrotsnake say if you flop a set in a RR pot then it's an autostack? I think he was referring to 100BB's but against this guy I definitely like a 3bet.

Erik W 09-29-2007 06:53 PM

Re: Deep AK flop decision in rr pot, 1.5-3nl
 
Why reraise a 8% raiser who raises UTG and you are oop
and 200BB deep?

I love reraising but this is one of the times I flat pre.

Keyser. 09-29-2007 06:59 PM

Re: Deep AK flop decision in rr pot, 1.5-3nl
 
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Why reraise a 8% raiser who raises UTG and you are oop
and 200BB deep?

I love reraising but this is one of the times I flat pre.

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I like the smooth call too against known nit-donks but I felt the sample size was too small here to know his opening standards.

obiedman 09-29-2007 07:02 PM

Re: Deep AK flop decision in rr pot, 1.5-3nl
 
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I agree with US i 3bomb the flop all day. didn't carrotsnake say if you flop a set in a RR pot then it's an autostack? I think he was referring to 100BB's but against this guy I definitely like a 3bet.

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this is 200bbs deep and we have a pair. i see no connection at all to "if you flop a set in a reraised pot it's an autostack."

Speedlimits 09-29-2007 07:24 PM

Re: Deep AK flop decision in rr pot, 1.5-3nl
 
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I agree with US i 3bomb the flop all day. didn't carrotsnake say if you flop a set in a RR pot then it's an autostack? I think he was referring to 100BB's but against this guy I definitely like a 3bet.

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this is 200bbs deep and we have a pair. i see no connection at all to "if you flop a set in a reraised pot it's an autostack."

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You are leaving a lot of information out of your analysis. We have TPTK in a re-raised pot. We aren't folding so flatting the raise is OK only if we expect to extract more from our opponent then we would otherwise.

also a 30 hand sample doesnt tell much so basing your plays off his pahud stats is pretty bad.

AAismyfriend 09-29-2007 08:05 PM

Re: Deep AK flop decision in rr pot, 1.5-3nl
 
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I agree with US i 3bomb the flop all day. didn't carrotsnake say if you flop a set in a RR pot then it's an autostack? I think he was referring to 100BB's but against this guy I definitely like a 3bet.

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this is 200bbs deep and we have a pair. i see no connection at all to "if you flop a set in a reraised pot it's an autostack."

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You are leaving a lot of information out of your analysis. We have TPTK in a re-raised pot. We aren't folding so flatting the raise is OK only if we expect to extract more from our opponent then we would otherwise.

also a 30 hand sample doesnt tell much so basing your plays off his pahud stats is pretty bad.

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Stacking off with TPTK 200BBs deep in a RRd pot to a loose passive that raised preflop cannot be good here. I fold the turn here, I'd be very surprised if he was semibluffing or going crazy with KQ or w/e.

Unknown Soldier 09-29-2007 08:08 PM

Re: Deep AK flop decision in rr pot, 1.5-3nl
 
AA, [ QUOTE ]
I didn't know this at the time, but later in the session he overbet open shoved for like 2x pot with KQ on an AQx board into 2 players.

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dunno if op wants us to take that into account, but i was.

Al_Money 09-29-2007 08:29 PM

Re: Deep AK flop decision in rr pot, 1.5-3nl
 
Call flop, fold turn. 3 betting flop seems bad this deep.


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