Will YOU pick up a hand you folded?
 

There's been a spate of threads regarding retrieving intentionally mucked hands that win the pot. By this time, everybody who reads this board should know that the hand plays if retrieved. I'm curious as to what the forum member's personal conduct is regarding this situation. Please note that there is no mitigating circumstance. You called all bets, misread your hand, intentionally folded (but in a retrievable manner), then figured out you folded the winner.

Re: Will YOU pick up a hand you folded?
 

I can think of three times I've done this. The worst was when I tabled half of a PLO hand to show how I got rivered, then mucked, and as the board was being cleared, someone said "flush", at which point I retrieved my hand and tabled it. This was at a drunken stoned home game, so things were fuzzy all around. It was a rather large pot, and I first said "chop?" and then quickly regretted it, conceeding the pot. Later the next day the guy found me and gave me half, which I felt was unnecessary (but appreciated).

Two times I've folded what I realized were backdoor winners as the cards were leaving my hand, but I let them go.

Re: Will YOU pick up a hand you folded?
 

What a [censored] nitty question.

Re: Will YOU pick up a hand you folded?
 

the poll questions are too vague

I had Axo in the blinds once, hand got checked down, I said "ace high", someone showed an ace high with a better kicker, I tossed my cards forward, then realized our kickers didn't play... I just asked the dealer if I could take my cards back (they were sitting right out in front of me next to one other player's cards, but not intermingled), he said no, and I let it go.

That's the only time I've ever mucked a hand that was entitled to a piece of the pot so I don't really see how I can vote for any of those options... there is clearly a huge grey area here and if there ever comes a time when I muck a winner I will see what my recourse is.

Re: Will YOU pick up a hand you folded?
 

I once folded a hand on the river at Foxwoods despite backing into a one-card straight. I tossed the cards forward, but the dealer never mucked them. After about ten seconds I quickly retrieved them, showed my winning hand, was pushed the pot, and placed my already cranky, old nit opponent on monkey tilt.

Re: Will YOU pick up a hand you folded?
 

I see nothing wrong with picking them back up, but if the dealer mucks them first, I won't blame the dealer, I'll blame myself.

Re: Will YOU pick up a hand you folded?
 

actually in my example I think it was another player at the table who pointed out that the kicker didn't play, which is why I didn't make much effort to retrieve my hand... I was really tired and probably wasn't going to catch it on my own. I should have just taken the 2 seconds to table my hand instead of just announcing it.

Re: Will YOU pick up a hand you folded?
 

I usually let my cards speak unless I'm intentionally denying some info on what draw I mised, but live I only play donky LHE.

a novel idea: PROTECT YOUR FRIGGIN\' HAND
 

If you properly protect your hand INCLUDING ON THE RIVER then the question is irrelevant. IRRELEVANT. NO "WHAT IF" SCENARIOS, NOTHING, IRRELEVANT.

I believe I accidentally mucked the winner by misreading my hand once about 9 years ago, costing myself a moderately sized pot in a 6-12 game at the mirage. But there was no "what if scenario" because the dealer did their job and mucked my cards as soon as I tossed them in face down.

The underlying problems with all these threads (and this one too) are as follows:

1. WPT trained idiots learn everything useless and irritating about poker and SKIP ALL THE IMPORTANT STUFF. Thus they can tell you it's 220:1 that you'll get aces before the flop, they can pointlessly stall and waste everyone's time stupidly imitating the major jerkoffs on television, but they have no clue how to behave, what the proper ettiquette is, or how to protect their own hand. To all these people who read this: TURN OFF YOUR FRIGGIN' TELEVISION.

2. Dealers don't know diddly about poker and don't care to learn because they are just jumping on the poker bandwagon looking for easy money. Also included here are the morons running the cardrooms and casinos who also blindly jump on the bandwagon without thinking, caring, or bothering to make sure their employees act professionally.

So just PROTECT YOUR FRIGGIN' HAND ALREADY and forget the survey.

Al

Re: a novel idea: PROTECT YOUR FRIGGIN\' HAND
 

An example of a poll that can't possibly be accurate.

"Talk is cheap". A lot of people are SAYING they'd let it go, but I imagine that many of them would ACT differently, if put to the test for real money.

Re: a novel idea: PROTECT YOUR FRIGGIN\' HAND
 

I've pulled back cards that have crossed the betting line without a problem.

One time I even pulled them after the dealer took my unmoved hand and but they were easily retrievable and I called the hand. It was a chopped all-in (one card full-house), so I was busy pulling back my bet. I didn't flip my cards, so dealer thought I was bluffing even though I said several statements and actions that would follow a chop. I don't blame the dealer (much), but it was a bit aggressive of him to take them without first asking for the cards.

I don't believe in the magic muck touch principle or muck motion that you often here at the tables.

Re: a novel idea: PROTECT YOUR FRIGGIN\' HAND
 

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An example of a poll that can't possibly be accurate.

"Talk is cheap". A lot of people are SAYING they'd let it go, but I imagine that many of them would ACT differently, if put to the test for real money.

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not eveyrone is a "professional." people do so many horrible things at the table that indicate that money is clearly not the determining factors of how they behave. occasionally after beign check youll see someone say "i have the nuts" and flip it over just cause they like you(if this has never happened to you, read on) and other bs like this. drunks tip dealers $100 chips, etc.

In regards to the OP, I think ive made the mistake in the past. But its been years since. For various reasons, after the last round of betting i immediately flip my hand over and announce it as if its a winner ("i have the 8" if its 8 high has no reasonable chance) as soon as its my turn.

If the dealer isnt pushing the game and everyone is waiting for everyone else to show first ill get it started. It speeds up the game. Showing trash helps get you paid later. You will keep the fish in a gambling mood, instead of a cutthroat dog-eat-dog informational battle. If you think you lose an edge this way (in most games) you are probably a nit and should just get a job or you're playing higher than 25/50 nl and probably arent reading this (or need to work on your game selection). If it matters, youll probably already know what most people have and would rather not tax (psychologically) the superfish by making them show the horrible trash they'd called with let alone give the table coach a chance to lecture/berate them about it.

In the long run i think this will help you learn to stay level ahead of people too. Consciously and/or subconsciously youll start switch your marginal decisions to exploit how people expect you to play (because of what yous howed last time) if they adapt and which players will even bother to adapt.

show your hand quickly. dont remind people that a battle is taking place and they wont bother to fight.

Re: a novel idea: PROTECT YOUR FRIGGIN\' HAND
 

heres an anecdote i meant to include was from a long time ago at a 5/10 game at harrahs. a draw heavy flop got capped about 6+ ways then checked down after every draw missed. first to act i flipped over my eight high and announced it just as mentioned in the post above and everyone shook their heads and tossed their hands into the muck. I dont mind this EV but i specifically dont want to be an angler so i tried o stop people from mucking "wait my eight doesnt even play! stop folding. table your hand!" no one did. After the pot was pushed to me i said "the board is 2 pair, ace high. does anyone want part of this pot?" and no one said a word as the dealer collected the cards and dealt the next hand.