Is this too weak?
 

Villain is 20/16 and decent

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1554.75
Hero: $965
CO: $2463
Button: $599.50
SB: $716.25
BB: $758.25

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $35</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $125</font>, 4 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($265, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($265, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $180</font>, Hero calls.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($625, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $380</font>,

Flop is debateable, but plz just give me an advice for river.

Plz just don`t comment we flopped ovepair ina 3bet pot and now e have to get in as fast as possible

Re: Is this too weak?
 

call river, i like your line if it hasnt been going aggressive

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I would just call here on the river but I would bet this flop for sure.

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Your flop check makes 0 sense if you fold this river.

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this is an exact copy of that AQ hand u posted: flop Q high u check behind, turn bricks and you call, river bricks and he bets and u are actually thinking about folding? Same hand, same story, what is there to talk about? call and be happy about it.

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seriously, you have down's syndrome

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You are seriously considering folding this river?

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lol yeah easy call, i would only value raise with sick history, and i like your flop line alot

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dlkfajdfkasdljkfdlk;a recallme, that hands you post tilt me

IM SORRY THAT HE HAD JJ OR TT AND YOU JUST KNEWWWW THAT HE DID, EFFING CALL

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what are u worried he has on flop...JJ or 10 10? thats a fairly small section of his range...now you underrep your hand. You only slightly less than 100 BBs...I would raise this river far more than i would fold...

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I think given its UTG v UTG1, the stats of the opponent and the statement that he is decent that your line is perfect, and I would call river. Its definitely closer to a fold than a shove though, and you are beat here a bunch of the time

Re: Is this too weak?
 

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Re: Is this too weak?
 

Thx for the link i was watching fo it, too.
Plz little poker god stop flaming my posts.
Learn difference betwen UTG vs UTG+1 and Co vs Bu.

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yeah I think the river is a marginal call and may be a fold against some.

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My point is, we see the same thread time and time again. You don't post hands where you make a marginal bluff, make a super-thin value shove or have interesting history with villain. They're all basically you facing a bet/shove from a 'decent' villain with you holding a semi-strong made hand (with you leaning towards folding but so obviously did not when the hand was played.)

You don't seem to learn from the advice given in the threads you do post, so i really don't see any value for you in posting them, other than to get peace of mind/reassurance that you made the right call. I've said before, i don't think you are a bad player, just a [censored] incredibly results orientated one, i'm pretty sure you made the correct calls in these hands you have posted recently. So plz plz try to be more selective in the hands you do post ffs, and don't question every call you make that you lose. Ty.

Re: Is this too weak?
 

I folded. and i think getting an 3bet caller UTg won`t happen that often

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I think you should flatcall preflop if you plan on folding this river tbh.

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Before i opened this thread i said 'yes' outloud. I was right. you are a scared nit.

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I folded. and i think getting an 3bet caller UTg won`t happen that often

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Do you stand by the fold? Cos if so, there was 0 point in making this thread as 11 posters in this thread have said call.

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I don`t get your last post Fionn.

Here`s a hand to show you that i am able to learn:

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1005
Hero: $1353
Button: $1042
SB: $1795.25
BB: $2840.94

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $35</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $125</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($265, 2 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $180</font>, UTG calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($625, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($625, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $400</font>, Hero calls

Re: Is this too weak?
 

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I think you should flatcall preflop if you plan on folding this river tbh.

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You are seriously considering folding this river?

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Not considering a fold is retarded. You expect villain to play AK/AQ like this? This is close and a fold is definitely not bad.

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I prefer to bet-fold the flop if you think folding QQ here.
As played, he might as well put you on AK or AJ or TT and do it with a lot of hands that you beat.

I don't hate the fold, but you underrepped your hand and it'c conceivable that villain is bluffing.

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did you mis-read your QQ for 88 or something?

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did you mis-read your QQ for 88 or something?

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88 isn`t that much better than QQ on this board.

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did you mis-read your QQ for 88 or something?

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88 isn`t that much better than QQ on this board.

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this is a ridiculously easy call as played with qq.

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did you mis-read your QQ for 88 or something?

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88 isn`t that much better than QQ on this board.

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yeh, i don't think the fold itself is that terrible, calling is probably only slightly +EV in a vacuum, but from a theory and metagame point of view, folding is HORRIBLE imo.

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villians river bet confuses me.
isnt he betting 450 + w a strong hand?

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You are seriously considering folding this river?

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did you mis-read your QQ for 88 or something?

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88 isn`t that much better than QQ on this board.

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this is a ridiculously easy call as played with qq.

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What you expect him to show up here with making this an easy call. WE ONLY BEAT A BLUFF if he is reasonable. Sure he may be getting out of line from time to time and I`d probably look him up the first time he does this. Saying this is an easy call is just ridiculous.

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did you mis-read your QQ for 88 or something?

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88 isn`t that much better than QQ on this board.

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You don't think villain is valuetowning a J here?

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did you mis-read your QQ for 88 or something?

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88 isn`t that much better than QQ on this board.

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You don't think villain is valuetowning a J here?

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He raised from UTG and hero raised from UTG+1 so he probably doesn`t have many in his range , no?

Re: Is this too weak?
 

I guess you're right.

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villian could definitely have a set here, and it would've been easy to find out if we had just bet the flop.
by not betting flop, you have to call this river.

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by betting the flop he may crai w/ AK

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by betting the flop he may crai w/ AK

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yah, he may also open-fold. whats your point?

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Your flop check makes 0 sense if you fold this river.

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The river fold isn't bad and could easily be right. The problem is the flop check. Bet/folding the flop accomplishes the same thing as checking behind and calling turn, with the added bonus that you don't give AK a free 6 outs. I wouldn't worry about AK running some monster bluff, people are too afraid of losing their stacks in idiotic fashion.