AA rerasied pot oop, what to do on turn???
 

Villain is 23/18/1.5
I don't think I have played a single hand at this table, not sure if he notices or not, prolly not.

Bet fold is looking like the best line to me. I have no clue what I'm going to get value from.


Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

BB ($77.15)
UTG ($73.70)
MP ($50.45)
CO ($49.45)
Button ($123.45)
Hero ($56.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($12) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, UTG calls $8.

Turn: ($28) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero ???

Re: AA rerasied pot oop, what to do on turn???
 

betting is the worst thing you can do here imo.

crai. if he checks. then b/c river.

Just because he called the flop does not mean he has a king. I was watching a video a few weeks ago and the guy said 'I never fold aces in a 3bet pot'. And i agee.

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I hate b/f here on the turn in 3bet pot - you want to put in what 28 of our stack intending to fold.

Check and see what he does. I may c/call, c/fold or c/r AI - prob not vs him unless he'll bluff some % time. If you be tthe turn I think only hand that beat u KK/AK and bluffs shove, QQ/JJ/tt fold which might call a river bet and check the turn or bet themselves once.

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What is calling an all in check raise? Probably nothing I beat. I might be able to get a river bet out of 44-QQ if we both check the turn.

If I bet the turn he'll either call or raise with a K, or sets.. and probably call with quite a few hands I beat such as 88.

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I can't see the villain getting past the flop without a king here often enough as these levels to make continuing with this hand +ev.

I hate the crai line. You won't get anymore value out of any hand that doesn't include a king, whereas you felt against opponents with the King.

I think I'm inclind to check the turn and evaluate his action (and bit bet size should he bet)

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prodonkey

The turn c/r AI I'll ONLY if his range inludes him bluff betting turn without a better hand - because if we raise he has to call AI[given potsize] or worse[for him] he folds and gives up a big pot.

I'll c/r AI only if he'll bluff bet a decent % time which may be QQ/JJ - 80% time and with no 3bet history I'll c/call or c/fold. I'll also check turn with almost all other hands.

I doubt he'll call turn with many worse hands [88]unless he's commiting on the river but he may bluf bet them or on river.

check turn, if bet @ you have a decision if checked through bet or c/call river.

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I hate the crai line. You won't get anymore value out of any hand that doesn't include a king, whereas you felt against opponents with the King.

I think I'm inclind to check the turn and evaluate his action (and bit bet size should he bet)

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A ton of villans will use this opportunity to take the hand away from you, and thats where the value comes in from CRAI, and then QQ/JJ type hands will have to call at that point. I am not stating CRAI is best for that matter, just an example of where the value comes in.

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I probably cc turn, cf river. I hate betting the turn and I hate crai

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I hate the crai line. You won't get anymore value out of any hand that doesn't include a king, whereas you felt against opponents with the King.

I think I'm inclind to check the turn and evaluate his action (and bit bet size should he bet)

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A ton of villans will use this opportunity to take the hand away from you, and thats where the value comes in from CRAI, and then QQ/JJ type hands will have to call at that point. I am not stating CRAI is best for that matter, just an example of where the value comes in.

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I think Perk said it better and we're thinking along the same lines.

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I checked, villain bet $20 which really doesn't give any room to maneuver.. if I call the 20, I've got almost 2/3 of my stack in the pot and really can't fold on any river.

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basically. crai has the same outcome as c/c.

IMO. there are 2 options. c/f, and crai. I think c/f is too weak.

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Also, tbh, I check this flop alot no matter what I have

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basically. crai has the same outcome as c/c.

IMO. there are 2 options. c/f, and crai. I think c/f is too weak.

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Well when he bet the 20 I agree, those are my only decisions there. I decided to shove, I'm just really not in love with the line since I'm prolly going to be crushed way more often than he pays me off with QQ. IMO

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basically. crai has the same outcome as c/c.

IMO. there are 2 options. c/f, and crai. I think c/f is too weak.

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Well when he bet the 20 I agree, those are my only decisions there. I decided to shove, I'm just really not in love with the line since I'm prolly going to be crushed way more often than he pays me off with QQ. IMO

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You played the hand well. If he hadn't caught a 2 outter on the turn you woulda had his stack. Theres not much too worry about here.

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Does a 23/18 4bet AK oop?

I think that when all the money goes in if you were to look at a long term perspective, that you would see as many midpair hands show up along with AK/boats that a CRAI is fine here over his $20.00 bet.

As someone said c/f is weak here.

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Looking at stack/pot sizes I guess crai is the best afterall, I recant my previous statements

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He didn't have a K, and while some 23/18's might 4 bet it.. he doesn't even 3 bet AK, he cold calls with it.

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Also, tbh, I check this flop alot no matter what I have

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what the hell? K high flops are like the best to cbet and 2 barrel on. Its like either he has the K or not. And since AA even beats his K this is a 3 street value hand.

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I recant my earlier line, I see yah you can't c/c without being commited. So yes there are only two lines on the turn

c/f or crai.

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Also, tbh, I check this flop alot no matter what I have

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what the hell? K high flops are like the best to cbet and 2 barrel on. Its like either he has the K or not. And since AA even beats his K this is a 3 street value hand.

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I feel like if villain has a K, we're getting his stack anyways. IMO, checking the flop gets more value out of weaker hands and also helps for when I end up in this situation lightly, as I don't have to cbet.

If the guy likes to float then bet flop/crai turn works wonders, really depends on villain. But I don't see many players calling 2 barrels lightly on a K high flop

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I would c/c the turn. Betting out is not profitable. Why is the only option to crai or c/f? We're not commited, we still have half of out stack available. Check and let a bad hand bet out. On the river check again and fold to a big bet

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I think check calling 20 is gross and it committs over 60% of your stack. If i c/c this turn I'm never folding any river.