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ZoolooZ 09-27-2007 08:36 AM

Difficult desision for KK
 
Afraid i cant find the hand history for this hand, but ill do my best to recap.

Playing .25/.50 NL Hold'em
My stack $75

UTG raised to $2
Folded to me on button with KK and i raise to $6
UTG calls

Flop 2 7 10 rainbow

UTG Checks
I bet $8
UTG Moves in for $70

What should i do?

If you think its a call please list the hands i have beat!

TheKitbag 09-27-2007 08:39 AM

Re: Difficult desision for KK
 
at 0.25/50 this is a hard spot but i think i fold here. these sorts of huge overbets are rarely bluffs. you can find better spots than this

masterdon 09-27-2007 09:04 AM

Re: Difficult desision for KK
 
You MIGHT be ahead, but calling these huge overbets with only an overpair will cost you a lot of money in the end. I fold.

ZoolooZ 09-27-2007 09:21 AM

Re: Difficult desision for KK
 
What hand u think he has got! bare in mind i reraised an UTG player and i know he is good enough to put me on AK AA or KK i also know he had a premium starting hand with his UTG raise.

capodu 09-27-2007 09:22 AM

Re: Difficult desision for KK
 
Without knowing that guy will overplay ovepairs, or top pair you would have to fold. There is nothign that you beat that a sane person would do this with, but most of the time I see someone do this they are bluffing or have a draw. In my experience from NL100 I would flip a coin and call.

capodu 09-27-2007 09:23 AM

Re: Difficult desision for KK
 
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What hand u think he has got! bare in mind i reraised an UTG player and i know he is good enough to put me on AK AA or KK i also know he had a premium starting hand with his UTG raise.

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again no reads, no stats you cant be sure he has a premium hand and is a thinking player...

Bulletproof Monk 09-27-2007 09:23 AM

Re: Difficult desision for KK
 
i call

Rjack 09-27-2007 09:30 AM

Re: Difficult desision for KK
 
he has A-10

junkmail3 09-27-2007 09:38 AM

Re: Difficult desision for KK
 
I call here most of the time. Good players usually won't sacrifice the value with monsters, bad players will slowplay it more (generally). I think you're ahead here pretty often.

Hands include: straight draws, Tx, 8x, QQ-, AK/AQ, complete bluffs.

masterdon 09-27-2007 10:31 AM

Re: Difficult desision for KK
 
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($129.30)
Hero ($131.90)
Button ($107.20)
SB ($139.70)
BB ($104.75)
UTG ($69.35)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $11</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $10, MP calls $8.

Flop: ($33.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $21</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $93.75</font>, MP folds, Hero calls $72.75.

FWIW, here is a situation that is similar to the OP's, but is different in enough ways to warrant a call IMO.

1) Villain cold-called a 3bet and is a 50/20 fish
2) Board is more coordinated and could potentially give his range more draws than OP's board
3) Stacks aren't 140bb deep, so the shove is about 1.5x pot

duckyfuzz 09-27-2007 10:58 AM

Re: Difficult desision for KK
 
I call hoping to see 78 or Tx a decent % of the time. I am noticing lately that these types of moves are often monsters in comparison to say a year ago when it was always idiots with draws. Dunno if there's any truth to my observation but thats what I've been seeing.

orange 09-27-2007 11:22 AM

Re: Difficult desision for KK
 
ez call. youre beat by AA and lord bless him if he flopped a set.

grando 09-27-2007 11:42 AM

Re: Difficult desision for KK
 
fistpump call

skibbel 09-27-2007 12:02 PM

Re: Difficult desision for KK
 
nobrainer-instantcall w/o good reads


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