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Hattifnatt 09-27-2007 05:47 AM

Pull the trigger?
 
Live hand, currency is Swedish crowns. $1 ~ 7 SEK so blinds is about $1.5/$1.5.

Villian in this hand is a good, experienced live player. He play mostly tournaments. He is pretty tight/selective and good at reading opponents and not afraid of making pretty big calls or laydowns.

He pretty often take passive lines with TP and overpair kindof hands.

He should view me as pretty tight and think he assume I have the goods the very most times when big money goes in the pot.

Stacks:
Hero (BB): 5.3k
Villian (UTG): 5.3k
The other players have 4-7k

10/10, 5 handed

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Villian raises to 50, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero raises to 400, Villian thinks for like 30 seconds and calls, 3 folds

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (950)
Hero checks, Villian checks pretty quickly

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (950)
Hero bets 800, Villian thinks for like 30 seconds and calls

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2550)
Hero..?

Should I check or bet, if I bet, what amount should I bet?

Comments on all streets (incl preflop) are very welcome.

Yentz 09-27-2007 06:03 AM

Re: Pull the trigger?
 
I would bet the flop, you fold out a lot of hands.

On the turn, I am unsure what you are representing? A missed flop CR with a great hand, or a medium strenght hand that realizes it may be good? I think once he calls turn, he is probably willing to call a blank turn, so I dont fire again on river as played.

Is this in a Swedish casino? ( I am from Copenhagen myself)

john kane 09-27-2007 06:18 AM

Re: Pull the trigger?
 
I would fire $2,000 or so, maybe $1,900. If he calls I expect him to flip over TT or JJ.

Hattifnatt 09-27-2007 06:21 AM

Re: Pull the trigger?
 
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Is this in a Swedish casino? ( I am from Copenhagen myself)

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Its a local club.

terp 09-27-2007 08:05 AM

Re: Pull the trigger?
 
i don't really ever attempt bluffs when i didn't bet the flop when i *should* have bet it

not only do they never believe you, but you don't get to exert enough pressure on them since they only have to call two streets to showdown

ChrisV 09-27-2007 10:47 AM

Re: Pull the trigger?
 
Yeah I think flop is an obvious bet. River I think I check, you've represented your hand badly, are you supposed to have the nut flush or what?

I played 10-20 SEK NLHE I think it was at the casino in Stockholm when I was there about a month ago. I would have played again the next night, but they wouldn't let me in on the grounds that I was drunk [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

kaah 09-27-2007 11:36 AM

Re: Pull the trigger?
 
1$ = 6.5 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] the dollar took a dive last week.. again

I bet flop and now give up river

Hattifnatt 09-28-2007 07:03 AM

Re: Pull the trigger?
 
Any more opinions? What about the preflop squeeze?

john kane 09-28-2007 07:07 AM

Re: Pull the trigger?
 
if your image is tight then pf squeeze is good, if think you will get callers, then just wait till you have a good hand and then raise to $400.

for me pf squeeze is entirely dependent on the other players.

Hattifnatt 09-28-2007 08:09 AM

Re: Pull the trigger?
 
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if your image is tight then pf squeeze is good, if think you will get callers, then just wait till you have a good hand and then raise to $400.

for me pf squeeze is entirely dependent on the other players.

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in retrospect its probably much better to squeeze with a hand like 54s in pos than OOP when the chance/risk of getting called is quite big when putting in about 8% of the stacks?

john kane 09-28-2007 09:16 AM

Re: Pull the trigger?
 
definitely. i know you probs know all this stuff, but something atfer re-working my game in august is now i employ almost religiously against better players is adapting my game to suit the % chance of being called based on their stats and recent history when 3betting/squeezing. as soon as i noticed my 3 bets are being called i tighten my 3bet range, and vice versa. i know it's obvious and you and others know it as well, but it's too easy to look at 79s and think 'squeeze' or '3bet' when in fact you've just seen an opportunity rather than deciding the opponents likelyhood of folding.

in this hand, at a live game with this many limpers, i'd assume to be called, so raising oop with low scons is not a good play imo.

Hattifnatt 09-28-2007 11:19 AM

Results
 
I bet 2200, my opponent thought for 5 minutes (!), he was very close to fold but finally called with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

comments are still welcome.

Nick Royale 09-28-2007 11:32 AM

Re: Pull the trigger?
 
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in retrospect its probably much better to squeeze with a hand like 54s in pos than OOP when the chance/risk of getting called is quite big when putting in about 8% of the stacks?

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Yeah, I agree with this. Your hand will be tough to play oop when getting called which it seems you'll get often given how many players called the first raise.

I also agree with terp about the bluff, despite your tight image this isn't the place for a bluff. I have a hard time seeing what you're repping after that flop check because you'll bet most of your good hands on the flop.


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