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7_toolz 09-27-2007 05:22 AM

Odd happenings at FULL TILT...what are the chances????
 
Hi guys,

Note: This is not a post about how online poker is rigged. I am winner at the tables, so I am not some newb who claims online poker is rigged after a few losing session.

I have been playing online for 2+ years now and I DO NOT believe it's rigged. Yes, I get sucked out like crazy at times and yes it does suck a whole lot, but I understand that over a large sample of hands you will see your fair share of bad beats and dish out your fair share as well.

Okay, now getting back to "odd" thing. The time frame setting is between the night of Sept.25th and the early mornings of Sept.26th. I was running 11+1 Sng's and a few hrs of 6max 2/4 Limit during that time frame.

Now, combined with the limit cash and Sng's, i was dealt pocket 22 roughly 8 times (too lazy to go dig up the exact numbers right now) but the main point is, I hit a set with 22's 6 times out the 7 or 8 times I was dealt it.

With the times when I see my 22's to the river I have hit a set. The other 1 or 2 times, I either folded preflop or didn't go to the river.

Now, isn't the chances of hitting a set like very very low? Like under 10%? What are chances someone hits a set 6 out 7/8 within a roughly 12 hour time period??????

Okay, so after that day I was talking to some buddies and did some thinking. Basically we just attribute this to the fact that when you play alot of hands of poker, you will see stuff like this. Alright, so cool, lets move on.

NOW, when I was playing in a limit tourney tonight (Sept.26th to Sept.27th) on FTP (24+2 Limit MTT.) I hit board trips (dealt KJ -> JJx flop) or a set with JJ every time!

I noticed this trend as I was playing. Near the late stages of the tourney, I raised UTG with JJ, we cap on the flop with me all-in on the 3rd or 4th bet. Opponent shows AA. So obviously I am screaming at my laptop, Jack, Jack, JACK!!!

And guess what? A Jack came on the river....

Now I am guessing some of you flamers are gonna probably make fun of me and tell me I am BS'ing.

Everything I've wrote is 100% true and of course I have all the Hand History in PokerOffice and in my FT folder.

If you guys don't believe me, I will show you the evidence.

BUT, thats not the important thing...to all the mathematically smart people in the forums, what are the chances of stuff like this happening????

In conclusion though, I still don't think online poker is rigged in anyway. My explanation for this is "[censored] happens". There lottery winners every year and winning the lottery is like 0.000232349823% chance. So if you look at the overall scheme of things, I guess its not THAT odd. But what I do find odd is the fact that i hit a set with those hands in SUCH A SHORT PERIOD of time.

I am playing tomorrow as well, and I update you guys if I am hitting crazy sets again. Oh and this "odd" thing is pretty cool for my bankroll too, so I aint complaining lol.

Bobo Fett 09-27-2007 05:53 AM

Re: Odd happenings at FULL TILT...what are the chances????
 
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Now, isn't the chances of hitting a set like very very low? Like under 10%?

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13%.

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What are chances someone hits a set 6 out 7/8 within a roughly 12 hour time period??????

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Not sure what relevance the time has. Anyway, I'll leave the odds calculation to someone better versed in statistics than me.

This seems like a post better suited for BBV...and while the odds are undoubtedly low, this isn't that amazing an occurence.

WhoIam 09-27-2007 06:46 AM

Re: Odd happenings at FULL TILT...what are the chances????
 
I once had two straight flushes within an hour of each other--freak occurrences happen fairly regularly especially when dealing with thousands and thousands of hands.

jafeather 09-27-2007 07:05 AM

Re: Odd happenings at FULL TILT...what are the chances????
 
If my math is right (and trust me, it's very very possible it isn't) then for every time 1 million times you're dealt a series 7 or 8 pocket 22s this would happen like 5 or 6 times. While from one point of view that's not very likely at all, from another it's like 300x more likely than hitting a lottery jackpot.

Rek 09-27-2007 07:32 AM

Re: Odd happenings at FULL TILT...what are the chances????
 
I don't know the odds but it will be miniscule. The thing is though, the fact there are odds for it means it will happen. At some stage in the future it will happen 5 nights in a row - maybe not in our lifetime but it will happen.

7_toolz 09-27-2007 07:38 AM

Re: Odd happenings at FULL TILT...what are the chances????
 
Now, if this happens again in my sessions today.....then I am going to have to start attributing it more than just straight up luck...must indicate some kind of glitch in the random generator.

selurah 09-27-2007 08:08 AM

Re: Odd happenings at FULL TILT...what are the chances????
 
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Hi guys,

Note: This is not a post about how online poker is rigged. I am winner at the tables, so I am not some newb who claims online poker is rigged after a few losing session.


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That was the only line I needed to read to realize your post is garbage. Also, you are not a winning player, so quit kidding yourself.

luckychancer 09-27-2007 09:04 AM

Re: Odd happenings at FULL TILT...what are the chances????
 
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Hi guys,

Note: This is not a post about how online poker is rigged. I am winner at the tables, so I am not some newb who claims online poker is rigged after a few losing session.


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That was the only line I needed to read to realize your post is garbage. Also, you are not a winning player, so quit kidding yourself.

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You just can't beat a mindless flame delivered with no evidence whatsoever as to it's validity. I'm convinced there are quite a few posters on this forums with 90% of their posts made up of crap like this.

It's a great formula really, read one line of a post, flame em, increase size of e penis, move on and hey presto a nice fat postcount with a overinflated ego to match.

The OP should learn about the 'spot the gorilla' concept btw.
Also see infinite monkeys at typewriters writing complete works of Shakespere etc.

selurah 09-27-2007 09:32 AM

Re: Odd happenings at FULL TILT...what are the chances????
 
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Hi guys,

Note: This is not a post about how online poker is rigged. I am winner at the tables, so I am not some newb who claims online poker is rigged after a few losing session.


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That was the only line I needed to read to realize your post is garbage. Also, you are not a winning player, so quit kidding yourself.

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You just can't beat a mindless flame delivered with no evidence whatsoever as to it's validity. I'm convinced there are quite a few posters on this forums with 90% of their posts made up of crap like this.

It's a great formula really, read one line of a post, flame em, increase size of e penis, move on and hey presto a nice fat postcount with a overinflated ego to match.

The OP should learn about the 'spot the gorilla' concept btw.
Also see infinite monkeys at typewriters writing complete works of Shakespere etc.

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LOL, so how much money are you down online? You sound like one of those bitter, online is rigged guys.

Also, BOOOOOYAHHHHHH, 914 bitches.

AbreuTime 09-27-2007 10:12 AM

Re: Odd happenings at FULL TILT...what are the chances????
 
The probability of this specific occurance happening is low.

The probability of this specific occurance happening to anyone playing is higher.

The probability of a similarly rare occurance happening to anyone playing is 100%.

luckychancer 09-27-2007 04:39 PM

Re: Odd happenings at FULL TILT...what are the chances????
 
Could not agree more.

Ganjasaurus Rex 09-27-2007 05:38 PM

Re: Odd happenings at FULL TILT...what are the chances????
 
I hit AA 16 times in less than 800 hands at FTP. I can only HOPE it's rigged and stays that way!

kslghost 09-28-2007 12:29 AM

Re: Odd happenings at FULL TILT...what are the chances????
 
While the occurance of something like this happening are very rare (somewhere along the lines of 1/1,000,000), there are many many occurances that occur much less frequently. However, there are millions of each of these different occurances.

For example, my chance of being dealt J5spades followed by TK club/heart, and then KK spade/heart in that specific order are very rare, the fact is that rare occurances will be happening every where all the time.

realjaydub 09-28-2007 12:34 AM

Re: Odd happenings at FULL TILT...what are the chances????
 
I was dealt aa 1 in 500 times...lost kk 5-6 times...overall riggedness.

luckychancer 09-28-2007 04:14 AM

Re: Odd happenings at FULL TILT...what are the chances????
 
When I win it's obviously on the level but when I lose it's definitely rigged.

schlucky1 09-28-2007 04:24 AM

Re: Odd happenings at FULL TILT...what are the chances????
 
It's completely obvious that you need to move up to the highest stakes possible, right now.

CORed 09-28-2007 01:24 PM

Re: Odd happenings at FULL TILT...what are the chances????
 
Might have something to do with the BJ you gave the sys admin.

dotbum 09-28-2007 01:34 PM

Re: Odd happenings at FULL TILT...what are the chances????
 
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Opponent shows AA. So obviously I am screaming at my laptop, Jack, Jack, JACK!!!

And guess what? A Jack came on the river....


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Cool, do I need a microphone for this to work?

As you said, you see a lot of weird [censored] when you play a lot of hands.

card4 09-28-2007 02:45 PM

Re: Odd happenings at FULL TILT...what are the chances????
 
lol, if so tell me where to buy one of these "suckout" microphones.

Its been said before but it can't be stressed enough, when you play thousands and thousands of hands, you see weird stuff. Three nights ago I got dealt AQ five times in a row. A couple of days before that I saw the same two players get dealt KK vs QQ in back to back hands. Cowboys held up both times and I'm sure somewhere the guy with queens who busted out and left the table is posting that online poker is rigged because twice he got queens and the same guy beat him with kings.

Bottom line, its weird, but it happens. Some days you will never hit a set, fill a strait, or make your flush so enjoy the few times when you get more than your fair share of luck.

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Opponent shows AA. So obviously I am screaming at my laptop, Jack, Jack, JACK!!!

And guess what? A Jack came on the river....


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Cool, do I need a microphone for this to work?

As you said, you see a lot of weird [censored] when you play a lot of hands.

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