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Just saw a story on CNN where they show that Google aerial photos discovered that a building owned by the US Navy appears from above to be in the shape of a swastika. No one noticed this for decades. Perhaps there were recent additions to the structure. In any case the shape is obviously inadvertant and can only be seen from a high flying plane.

Still the Navy is planning to spend 600K to fix it. Couldn't that money be better spent? I believe that after a little thought, Jewish groups would agree with me that they should urge the Navy to instead give the money to a children's hospital or something like that. And once Jewish groups suggested it, others would go along.

In fact the whole situation could turn into an opportunity to make an important symbolic gesture rather than merely $600,000 worth of shrubbery.

Hopefully two plus twoers will agree with me and prod the right people.

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David,

Do you think this was "an accident?"

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How about keep the swastika, don't give any taxpayer money to random groups, it looks fine?

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Here is a picture:

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3...00/sd_nazi.jpg

(from: http://www.freerepublic.com)

If you think it's a waste of money, just be thankful that they aren't tearing the building down.

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There are quite a few Navajo rugs and sand paintings that have a "rolling log" figure, which is a reverse swastika.

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My dad is still active in ADL. Let me see if I can get him to speak to some people who might have some pull.

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How is $600k supposed to fix this?

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How is $600k supposed to fix this?

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Camoflauge the roof?

The entire thing is asinine. The Navy shouldn't be remodeling perfectly servicable buildings and they shouldn't be donating money to charity. The real question should be why does the Navy have so much of our money that they would even consider this feasible.

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How is $600k supposed to fix this?

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Landscaping. Probably a bunch of tall trees to hide some of the features.

Oh, and Andy (or a mod), please edit that link. We don't need to see the entire url.

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David,

Do you think this was "an accident?"

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About six years ago some show like 20/20 did a report on this. At first you think, "Wow, they obviously had blueprints of the entire layout,...right? So how can this be a mistake?" But then they showed the blueprints, which consists of only one of the four swastika arms. Then they merely duplicated the one building four times (you'll notice the four arms aren't attached to one another.) End of conspiracy.

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Jesus, that's the longest URL I've ever seen!

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Found this on a website talking about the difference between the two swastikas:

"I found it very interesting that there are two Indian swastikas, one of which is the reverse (mirror) of the other. One is the good luck sign and the other is bad luck. The 45th Division had used the good luck sign but Hitler, without knowing anything about Indian lore, chose the bad luck sign of the Indians."

If we want this building to be as doomed as Hitler was, by all means, let's not waste taxpayer money changing it. Teehee..

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David,

Do you think this was "an accident?"

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About six to eight years ago some show like 20/20 did a report on this. At first you think, "Wow, they obviously had blueprints of the entire layout,...right? So how can this be a mistake?" But then they showed the blueprints, which consists of only one of the four swastika arms. Then they merely duplicated the one building four times (you'll notice the four arms aren't attached to one another.) End of conspiracy.

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Still, at some point, you'd think someone would have had to look at an aerial view of the building/blueprint to see what it would look like with all 4 arms, at least just to see if it'd all fit or something.

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David, if you're worried about the symbolism, consider that the building will be there for 50 years but a donation is a one-time solution. I don't mind the landscaping solution.

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Just saw a story on CNN where they show that Google aerial photos discovered that a building owned by the US Navy appears from above to be in the shape of a swastika. No one noticed this for decades. Perhaps there were recent additions to the structure. In any case the shape is obviously inadvertant and can only be seen from a high flying plane.

Still the Navy is planning to spend 600K to fix it. Couldn't that money be better spent? I believe that after a little thought, Jewish groups would agree with me that they should urge the Navy to instead give the money to a children's hospital or something like that. And once Jewish groups suggested it, others would go along.

In fact the whole situation could turn into an opportunity to make an important symbolic gesture rather than merely $600,000 worth of shrubbery.

Hopefully two plus twoers will agree with me and prod the right people.

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Why should Jewish groups have any influence on how tax payer money is spent? Also, the navy isn't a charity. Perhaps you could get together with Jewish groups and make a donation instead of attempting to force the tax payers to do so.

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David, if you're worried about the symbolism, consider that the building will be there for 50 years but a donation is a one-time solution. I don't mind the landscaping solution.

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Correcting an unintentional building design that poses no real threat and isn't even visible from the ground is more important than helping sick children?

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Found this on a website talking about the difference between the two swastikas:

"I found it very interesting that there are two Indian swastikas, one of which is the reverse (mirror) of the other. One is the good luck sign and the other is bad luck. The 45th Division had used the good luck sign but Hitler, without knowing anything about Indian lore, chose the bad luck sign of the Indians."

If we want this building to be as doomed as Hitler was, by all means, let's not waste taxpayer money changing it. Teehee..

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David,

Do you think this was "an accident?"

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About six to eight years ago some show like 20/20 did a report on this. At first you think, "Wow, they obviously had blueprints of the entire layout,...right? So how can this be a mistake?" But then they showed the blueprints, which consists of only one of the four swastika arms. Then they merely duplicated the one building four times (you'll notice the four arms aren't attached to one another.) End of conspiracy.

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Still, at some point, you'd think someone would have had to look at an aerial view of the building/blueprint to see what it would look like with all 4 arms, at least just to see if it'd all fit or something.

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Couldn't we just spend like 15 bucks and throw some salt over the building or hang a horseshoe on it?

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Just saw a story on CNN where they show that Google aerial photos discovered that a building owned by the US Navy appears from above to be in the shape of a swastika. No one noticed this for decades. Perhaps there were recent additions to the structure. In any case the shape is obviously inadvertant and can only be seen from a high flying plane.

Still the Navy is planning to spend 600K to fix it. Couldn't that money be better spent? I believe that after a little thought, Jewish groups would agree with me that they should urge the Navy to instead give the money to a children's hospital or something like that. And once Jewish groups suggested it, others would go along.

In fact the whole situation could turn into an opportunity to make an important symbolic gesture rather than merely $600,000 worth of shrubbery.

Hopefully two plus twoers will agree with me and prod the right people.

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Why should Jewish groups have any influence on how tax payer money is spent? Also, the navy isn't a charity. Perhaps you could get together with Jewish groups and make a donation instead of attempting to force the tax payers to do so.

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The Jewish groups because everyone else is going to be so terrified to be seen as being pro-Hitler that they would spend any amount of millions to take it down. But if the Jewish groups tell us its ok we can sleep at night.

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David, if you're worried about the symbolism, consider that the building will be there for 50 years but a donation is a one-time solution. I don't mind the landscaping solution.

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You know 600,000 is worth some actual amount of human lives right?

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There are quite a few Navajo rugs and sand paintings that have a "rolling log" figure, which is a reverse swastika.

Link

My dad is still active in ADL. Let me see if I can get him to speak to some people who might have some pull.

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The whole thing could turn into a nice little symbolic media event. The Navy presents a check (possibly for less than 600K) to some Jewish charities and the Holocaust museum. And the building itself gets some kind of plaque commemorating "rational remembrance". Or something along those lines.

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Do nothing on the ground, but declare it a high risk site, ban flights over it, and require all satellite mapping services to pixelate it like other high risk government buildings (look at a satellite image of downtown DC if you need to see what I mean).

But don't waste taxpayers monies on this.

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The whole thing could turn into a nice little symbolic media event. The Navy presents a check (possibly for less than 600K) to some Jewish charities and the Holocaust museum. And the building itself gets some kind of plaque commemorating "rational remembrance". Or something along those lines.

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god, like jews don't have enough bad press about being money grubbers. at least when al sharpton extorts money people have the decency to call him a crook.

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David, if you're worried about the symbolism, consider that the building will be there for 50 years but a donation is a one-time solution. I don't mind the landscaping solution.

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He's not worried about the symbolism. The idea that Jews should lead the charge is a practicality thing.

The point is that the shape of a building is arbitrary, but the donation could theoretically do some actual good.

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The point is that the shape of a building is arbitrary, but the donation could theoretically do some actual good.

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The feds already give charities billions of dollars a year to do social work.

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You know 600,000 is worth some actual amount of human lives right?

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I never thought I'd say this, but most of the posts here commit the broken window fallacy. If none of you are worried about the symbolism, then we would have to look at whether it would be better to spend the money on A. Trees, B. Jewish charities or C. Whatever else the navy would spend the money on.

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No one noticed this for decades.

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Ahem. Many people have known about this building for a long time, along with all the other Nazi, New World Order, and Masonic imagery that appears in many government buildings. I have a very hard time believing this was an accident.

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The point is that the shape of a building is arbitrary, but the donation could theoretically do some actual good.

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The feds already give charities billions of dollars a year to do social work.

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You know 600,000 is worth some actual amount of human lives right?

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I never thought I'd say this, but most of the posts here commit the broken window fallacy. If none of you are worried about the symbolism, then we would have to look at whether it would be better to spend the money on A. Trees, B. Jewish charities or C. Whatever else the navy would spend the money on.

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While I'm not a fan of the state, in this instance, I think the navy should spend the money allocated to it on, you know, navy stuff.

Although, they could spend a few hundred dollars and plant a giant flaming cross on top to shift the attention. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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The point is that the shape of a building is arbitrary, but the donation could theoretically do some actual good.

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The feds already give charities billions of dollars a year to do social work.

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What's your point? Are you saying that since the feds already give to charity that it somehow becomes better to waste $600K than to use it for yet more charity? I don't see the coherency behind this reply.

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the shape is obviously inadvertant

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lol

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Ahem. Many people have known about this building for a long time, along with all the other Nazi, New World Order, and Masonic imagery that appears in many government buildings. I have a very hard time believing this was an accident.

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yeah , there's a statue of the founder of the KKK right in D.C., I mean that's not an accident.

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Government spending is always charity to somebody. Just hire a Jewish landscaping/construction company to do the job. Problem solved.

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600k would buy 6 more super duper Hummers for troops in Iraq. I say buy 6 more super duper Hummers and the hell with the Jews who make up less than 1% of the world's population.

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the shape is obviously inadvertant

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I assume it is inadvertant. If it wasn't I would probably change my suggestion.

I also assume that the 600K that they plan to spend is only as a gesture to Jews.

Given those two assumptions I think Jews should say something like "We appreciate the gesture. But it isn't necessary and perhaps a bit silly. Meanwhile if you were prepared to spend that much money on our behalf then go ahead and give it to xxx instead."

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god, like jews don't have enough bad press about being money grubbers. at least when al sharpton extorts money people have the decency to call him a crook.


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Ok, I'll bite I guess. Exactly which jews are you calling crooks and why?
Also, define "crook" in this context.
I think you're way off base here.

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600k would buy 6 more super duper Hummers for troops in Iraq. I say buy 6 more super duper Hummers and the hell with the Jews who make up less than 1% of the world's population.


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to hell with the troops. They make up less than .02% of the world's population.

Also, saving many hundreds of innocent starving humans 100% of the time this money is donated is better than POSSIBLY saving some soldiers who may be engaging in questionable activity (or maybe not), or who may use the vehicle to kill other innocent people.

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Ok, I'll bite I guess. Exactly which jews are you calling crooks and why?
Also, define "crook" in this context.
I think you're way off base here.

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It seems to me if I go around saying, hey, you, your building is a funny shape, give me money or I'll slander you in some way, that is pretty crooked.

but what I meant is that al sharpton and jesse jackson "shake down" corporations all the time, but at least some people like in the press at least come out against such thuggary when the "black lobby" (which is racist or whatever itself, I mean jesse jackson does not speak for most or really many black people) does it, but no one ever says a bad word about jewish organisations who do the same thing.

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I thought we already sent $30 billion to Jews this year?

Can't we wait until next year?

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I assume it is inadvertant. If it wasn't I would probably change my suggestion.

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Why? This seems completely irrational to me. We can spend 600k to:

1) Alter the shape of a building with an offensive shape which can only be seen from the air.

2) Do something productive

It would be a different story if the shape of the building were readily visible to passersby or if it had a swastika lawn sculpture, but this is a "problem" that hardly anyone will ever see.

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The point is that the shape of a building is arbitrary, but the donation could theoretically do some actual good.

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The feds already give charities billions of dollars a year to do social work.

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You know 600,000 is worth some actual amount of human lives right?

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I never thought I'd say this, but most of the posts here commit the broken window fallacy. If none of you are worried about the symbolism, then we would have to look at whether it would be better to spend the money on A. Trees, B. Jewish charities or C. Whatever else the navy would spend the money on.

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Right...?

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Also, saving many hundreds of innocent starving humans 100% of the time this money is donated is better than POSSIBLY saving some soldiers who may be engaging in questionable activity (or maybe not), or who may use the vehicle to kill other innocent people.

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Some of the starving humans you save could POSSIBLY be psychokillerbabyrapers. ZOMG TEH CONUNDRUMZZZZZZZZZZZ.

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Also, saving many hundreds of innocent starving humans 100% of the time this money is donated is better than POSSIBLY saving some soldiers who may be engaging in questionable activity (or maybe not), or who may use the vehicle to kill other innocent people.

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Some of the starving humans you save could POSSIBLY be psychokillerbabyrapers. ZOMG TEH CONUNDRUMZZZZZZZZZZZ.

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POTW.

PS: nice avatar.

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There are quite a few Navajo rugs and sand paintings that have a "rolling log" figure, which is a reverse swastika.

Link

My dad is still active in ADL. Let me see if I can get him to speak to some people who might have some pull.

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The whole thing could turn into a nice little symbolic media event. The Navy presents a check (possibly for less than 600K) to some Jewish charities and the Holocaust museum. And the building itself gets some kind of plaque commemorating "rational remembrance". Or something along those lines.

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I dunno about that. It seems too much like a payoff for offending Jews, and that will just turn into a big free for all if you think about all the other things that govt might have done to offend various groups. And the party receiving the check would look like race hustlers, similar to Jesse Jackson.

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if you don't see the difference between giving food/medicine to children and giving weapons of war to people whose job it is to kill, then we don't have anything to talk about.