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HighCardSeven 09-26-2007 04:27 AM

NL25 AK
 
Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $38.90
Hero (BB): $25.85
UTG: $7.25
CO: $30.75
BTN: $26.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG calls $0.25, CO folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $1.00</font>, SB folds, Hero calls $0.75, UTG calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $2.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, UTG folds, <font color="red">BTN raises all-in to $25.50</font>, Hero calls all-in for $17.85
Uncalled bet of $0.65 returned to BTN

Turn: ($52.80) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

River: ($52.80) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $52.80 ($2 Rake)

I know, calling preflop is horrible, especially out of position. As played: Is my flopplay okay or should I fold to his allin or just call his first bet?

rothko 09-26-2007 04:31 AM

Re: NL25 AK
 
donkbet the flop. if villain puts in a huge raise. fold.

as played, your flop reraise should be bigger. with stack sizes, call.

Rounder101 09-26-2007 04:33 AM

Re: NL25 AK
 
repop it PF.
The rest is standard.

Logun 09-26-2007 11:00 AM

Re: NL25 AK
 
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repop it PF.
The rest is standard.

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whyzze 09-26-2007 11:03 AM

Re: NL25 AK
 
b3b is a better line here imo. Its much stronger than a checkraise and will get him to fold a few more hands.

aside from that, 3bet preflop as stated in every post in this thread.

jasonfish11 09-26-2007 11:07 AM

Re: NL25 AK
 
grunch
Raise preflop (Im sure that has been said)
I would bet $3 into this flop and if he raises Id shove. I dont really like the check raise. I think he is more likely to fold to a bet then 3bet all in than he will to a check raise to $7.5

monkeymaps 09-26-2007 11:10 AM

Re: NL25 AK
 
obv 3 bet pre
Im not sure if bet 3 bet line really makes much difernce I mean c/r is pretty strong too and I cant see ever folding this hand given our equity (though debatable because A or K might not be clean outs). I think b/3b line is best if you want to get it in and c/r might be better in the FE sense. bet /3b line costs us more too.

In a vaccume I dont think BTN has a hand that cant stand a c/r that often IMO.

jasonfish11 09-26-2007 11:13 AM

Re: NL25 AK
 
The only reason I would b3b here is because I have noticed A LOT of people hate being ceck raised at this limit and will call with a lot of crappy hands. Now what do we do with a blank turn? Do we shove, do we make a blocking bet, or do we check hoping he is scared of another check raise?

monkeymaps 09-26-2007 11:19 AM

Re: NL25 AK
 
I guess It really depends on villan standard TAG will auto raise our donk bet soo that line works. OP gave no reads so not sure. I just meant this is a standard c-bet by villan so c/r folds out more hands than you think IMO. But b/3bet line is good too I just think it depends on what your intentions are here do you want to maximize FE or just get it in if we estimate our equity is good enough for that to be +EV is well.

My thinking may be flawed here though lol.

jasonfish11 09-26-2007 11:22 AM

Re: NL25 AK
 
I think either is fine. I think we want a fold here but dont mind putting in all of our chips either. If I did check raise I would cr big and hope for a fold. Maybe make it $9 or $10 instead of $7. Basically say to the guy "hey Im willing to put all of it in here you want to dance?"

traz 09-26-2007 01:19 PM

Re: NL25 AK
 
I don't mind cring here because alot of players will let it check around multiway. I'd probably cr bigger though.

If it's hu i'm going with b3b.

Someone mentioned donking the flop and then folding to a raise...don't do that

ajmargarine 09-26-2007 01:27 PM

Re: NL25 AK
 
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donkbet the flop. if villain puts in a huge raise. fold.



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No. If he raises you, you push. As played preflop (3b pre yo), I like a donkbet with the intent of pushing if he raises.

Dallas Dru 09-26-2007 01:29 PM

Re: NL25 AK
 
pre 3b,

the rest looks pretty standard to me. it is hard to get away from this hand because your equity is so high. a strong preflop game is important here though because what happens it that hand doesn't hit. your call will look weak and most likely be pushed out of the pot by a decent player.

KIZDuck 09-26-2007 01:30 PM

Re: NL25 AK
 
i think b3b is much better than a c/r.

if you c/r he is the one who shoves allin, so you dont have any foldequity.

if u play b3b you can push him allin and he might fold.

ajmargarine 09-26-2007 01:37 PM

Re: NL25 AK
 
c/r here is not standard peoples.

b3bai &gt; c/c &gt; c/r &gt; c/f

NL Newbie 09-26-2007 01:40 PM

Re: NL25 AK
 
I think you played this perfectly., Specially if he cbets alot of flops/aggro vs 2 players.

NL Newbie 09-26-2007 01:41 PM

Re: NL25 AK
 
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c/r here is not standard peoples.

b3bai &gt; c/c &gt; c/r &gt; c/f

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Why do you feel bet/3bet best?

ajmargarine 09-26-2007 01:48 PM

Re: NL25 AK
 
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c/r here is not standard peoples.

b3bai &gt; c/c &gt; c/r &gt; c/f

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Why do you feel bet/3bet best?

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You want to play it like a set (or 7s8s). If you have 55, best play is to lead/push if raised. By leading we disguise our hand, we also have a sandwiched player between us and the pfr that can put some money in the middle. Then if PFR raises, we push with a little FE.

NL Newbie 09-26-2007 01:58 PM

Re: NL25 AK
 
[ QUOTE ]
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c/r here is not standard peoples.

b3bai &gt; c/c &gt; c/r &gt; c/f

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Why do you feel bet/3bet best?

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You want to play it like a set (or 7s8s). If you have 55, best play is to lead/push if raised. By leading we disguise our hand, we also have a sandwiched player between us and the pfr that can put some money in the middle. Then if PFR raises, we push with a little FE.

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Yeah i thought that was the plan, i prefer a C/r though.

We get Cbets when villan "bluffs"(Bets TT, AK, low PPs),
We show ALOT of strength(max FE vs QQ which is pretty close to 50% here),
We can easily have a set(Inline with set play often),
QQ folds alot(I consider this to be quite a nice result),
JJ won't fold anyway(So betting kills bluffs or we lose),
sometimes we get a free card to hit our draw anyway when villan gets fancy or has nothing(We'd get nothing by betting vs air anyway, free card vs JJ is awesome).

ajmargarine 09-26-2007 02:06 PM

Re: NL25 AK
 
NLN:

1. What's your plan on a blank turn when you get called on the flop?
2. No one's folding QQ here to either of our lines at NL25. I hope he has QQ when I b3bai so he calls and puts his money in bad.


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