ODDSMAKER, with future bet or no? Scam?
 

I just deposited a measly $50 on oddsmaker.com from the link on 2+2 and of course five minutes later I search for it on the forums and find posts saying its part of futurebet and they dont pay out withdrawls... is this still the case? Does anyone here use oddsmaker? I looked at the site and it says there are based in Europe:

"OddsMaker.com is owned and operated by Zahav Keseph Inc. and is fully licenced by the Government of Curacao Netherlands Antilles, entitling it to offer sports betting, casino games, poker products and other games. The Curacao standard of regulation is largely consistent with that of the United Kingdom, though OddsMaker.com does more than meet the stringent conditions laid down by the Government of Curacao. Furthermore, the company adheres to the code of behavior defined by the Government of Curacao which prescribes rigorous standards with respect to security as well as a responsible attitude towards issues such as protection of minors or gaming addiction."

Assuming I turn my 50 into 1k+ through NFL bets this season (lol..) what are the chances I can get the money out?

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5-10%

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Well I take it either no one here has used oddsmaker or you all are being cynical bastards as usual... and i'm guessing its the latter.

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My personal opinion is scam and the chances of you successfully cashing out any winnings is slim at best and if you are eventually successful you will probably have to wait months, endure countless delays, and be lied to repeatedly about why you haven't received your money yet. Any site associated with Future Bet in any way is garbage. I wouldn't deposit a cent of my own money there and my personal feelings about a network that would ripoff poker players for millions of dollars is such that I honestly would probably try to prevent even my worst enemy from depositing money there. Just my 2 cents.

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FB skins owe out literally millions of dollars that they are in default on. All of the skins are banked by FB. Why would your cashout be any different? You MIGHT get lucky if it is just for a small amount.

Read these:

http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/n.../futurebet.php

http://www.pokerroomreview.com/artic...futurebet.aspx

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I can't imagine 2p2 would knowingly let any associate of Futurebet put a link on this site. Where is said link?

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It appears oddsmaker is no longer associated with future bet. Is there any way you can tell a site is using future bet via its website? I cant find any information myself..

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I can't imagine 2p2 would knowingly let any associate of Futurebet put a link on this site. Where is said link?

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Neither would I but click the sporting events link under other topics and there is a huge ad for oddsmaker right there, irresponsible of two+two if you ask me... doesn't seem right.

Also, just had a live chat with one of oddsmakers employees:

Sherlyn: Welcome to Customer Service. How may I help you today?
Sherlyn: Are you still associated with FutureBet?
Sherlyn: Is that your question?
Sherlyn: The answer is no, and never we have been connected with them
Sherlyn: Would there be anything else that I can help you with?
ur54sold: Yes
ur54sold: one moment
ur54sold: according to two+two forums and another site oddsmaker.com was associated with Futurebet, if that is the case... has that partnership been terminated and who is the new service provider for oddsmaker?

ur54sold: hello?
Sherlyn: We were never affiliated with any other companies
Sherlyn: We are an independent one


What the hell is she talking about?

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This is what sportsbookreview has to say
8/15/2007 11:02 PM

oddsmaker (SBR rating D-) slow-paying clients including its non-US players. The sportsbook has been relisted in the SBR rating guide as a member of the Futurebet Group of sportsbooks and should be avoided. oddsmaker is now relying on Futurebet's cashier and PlayerSupport services as well as its software. The group's payout complaints are on the rise as they are each year before the start of the betting season.

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Well I take it either no one here has used oddsmaker or you all are being cynical bastards as usual... and i'm guessing its the latter.

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Or, gasp, they are just being honest.

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I have PM'd 2p2 management about these guys. I will let you know if anything comes of it.

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Here are most of the FB sites:

http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/n...urebetlist.php

Just a couple of weeks ago I ran a whois and they shared the IP with most of the other FBs. They also used the same "Player Support" that all FBs use. Maybe they moved in the last week? Obviously SBR thinks they are FB too. Email them or maybe Sports911 and see what the deal is.

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I brought this up earlier in the sports betting forum.
Here is the thread

There is a response from Mat and Oddmaker and some shilling from TheShrink, but the flyers oddmaker mails out include the Shrinks endorsement with photo as a separate insertion into the mailer. I'm sure he is paid well for it.

I've never been a troublemaker at all at this forum. I've just been a regular in the 2+2 sports betting for a while and was really disappointed to see those banners. In the sports betting industry people are more fearful of getting stiffed by books and rightly so, I think a lot of poker players will end up at that forum and see the oddsmaker banner as an edorsement by 2+2 for that company and trust it more - Its really to bad because it will likely end in just millions of dollars more being added to future bets pocket.

I feel bad for that guy who won the $100K jackpot on BetUSA and now is left dealing with futurebet support who has been giving him the run around forever and are not likely going to pay him [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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all FB related sites use the same live chat "Players Support" as it was originally called on all their skins(when they were still with ongame)

the support is useless and will lie to you if it is in the best interest of FB. they have said they are a seperate(outsourced) service in the past, but it has always been clearly run by FB.


I have friends who are owed 30k+ from FB sites, from back on Ongame. Ive done a lot of searching around the net for info on them in the past, and found some really interesting things(regarding how FB has screwed site owners).


some of the DGN network sites have broken away(or are in the process of) their ties with FB, the whole network is really shaky right now. this is obviously a result of FB players dumping to the few non FB sites that were on the network with them, hence now they do not share the same tables anymore.

any site that associates itself with FB in any way, deserves anything they get as a result IMO. lot of site owners(FB sells licences to individual sites on their network) knew FB was shady, but wanted to make an easy buck so signed up with them last year. now a lot of those owners have been screwed by FB for a LOT of money.