Can someone offer a critique on this hand I played plz?
 

[quote name='michael' date='Sep 24 2007, 08:04 AM' post='681283']
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|[color="#C00000"]saw showdown</font>

CO (t7305)
Button (t5396)
[color="#C00000"]MRobot (t3030)</font>
BB (t3220)
UTG (t8535)
UTG+1 (t1210)
[color="#C00000"]MP1 (t4770)</font>
MP2 (t6822)
MP3 (t4155)

Preflop: MRobot is SB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif.
[color="#666666"]2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t300, [color="#666666"]2 folds</font>, CO calls t300, [color="#666666"]1 fold</font>, MRobot completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t1250) 9http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif [color="#0000FF"](4 players)</font>
MRobot checks, BB checks, [color="#CC3333"]MP1 bets t900</font>, CO folds, [color="#CC3333"]MRobot raises to t2705</font>, BB folds, MP1 calls t1805.

Turn: (t6660) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif [color="#0000FF"](2 players)</font>

River: (t6660) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif [color="#0000FF"](2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t6660
[color="#009B00"]Main Pot: t6660 (t6660), between MRobot and MP1.</font> &gt; [color="#FFFFFF"]Pot won by MP1 (t6660).</font>


MRobot has Jh 8c (one pair, jacks).
MP1 has Jd Th (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: MP1 wins t6660.


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Re: Can someone offer a critique on this hand I played plz?
 

I fold this pre-flop.

Your odds aren't good to hit a hand at all, and more often than not you get yourself into a pretty marginal situation like this one.

As played, I think you have to get it all in on the flop, but seriously, completing from the SB with marginal hands like this is a pretty big leak.

Re: Can someone offer a critique on this hand I played plz?
 

with your stack and those blinds, the only way I put more money in preflop is if I'm shoving...and I probably wouldn't shove j8o...unless I had a solid read that limpers were chronic pf limp/folding...anyways I'd fold pf and spare myself 150 chips

Re: Can someone offer a critique on this hand I played plz?
 

Once u check this flop into two people, the only hand that u can have is a draw. You have zero FE after MP1 bets 900 on this flop...you're getting called everytime. As long as you realized this, i think u played the hand fine. Your draw is big enough, or has enough equity (about 48% vs TP), that u don't need any FE here for the c/r shove to be slightly EV+/EV neutral.

Re: Can someone offer a critique on this hand I played plz?
 

This is a flush draw (and not the nut flush draw) plus a gutshot straight draw.

These are 12 outs at best, I would count 10, cause you might complete your flush and still loose to the Kh, same it true for the gutshot.

So I would say your equity is about 38% here.

You have to play that flop, thats clear. The question is, is it better to bet out or to check-raise as you did.

As the pot is already more than 1/3 of your stack it's much better to lead out here. If any of your opponents bet out and you re-push your FE is very low. But you need FE to make this a +EV hand.

You can decide what you like more, a pot-sized bet out and call to a push or push yourself - you are committed anyway.

If your opponents are good I would make it pot-size, otherwise just push yourself.

Checkraising with your stack-size is the worse option imo.

And yes, fold this hand preflop.

Re: Can someone offer a critique on this hand I played plz?
 

I think push is better than CRAI, but what about a flat call? This way me get the BB to hang around and help build the pot.

Re: Can someone offer a critique on this hand I played plz?
 

I don't like the call.

As said, you need FE to make this hand +EV, further you need to see both turn and river, to make it worth a play.

If you commit yourself you have to play for your whole stack and if you miss your draw on the turn you will face a big bet, where you don't get the odds to call.

Re: Can someone offer a critique on this hand I played plz?
 

There's good advice in this thread. You're too short to complete the SB here hoping to catch a lucky flop. If you have 50 BBs, sure, go ahead and speculate a little. But with 10 BBs, you're options are limited.

You'll need to double up in order to get anywhere in this tourney. Spewing 150 chips here is like losing 300 if you do double. Plus, it also lessens your FE when you have to pushbot.

Re: Can someone offer a critique on this hand I played plz?
 

Everyone says the same,everyone is right,you have to fold this preflop. If you doubt it,look st the result,you went broke with a horrible hand. As played,you have to bet the flop if you want to play at all. With a bet,you have FE,with a c/r,you have none. Although I doubt he folds his draw,he might,ok,he prob wont but he might....

But easy fold preflop

Re: Can someone offer a critique on this hand I played plz?
 

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Everyone says the same,everyone is right,you have to fold this preflop. If you doubt it,look st the result,you went broke with a horrible hand.

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Ummm, this is clearly NOT the reason to fold this pf. You could have flopped JJ8 and it still would have been wrong.

Re: Can someone offer a critique on this hand I played plz?
 

No,I know,I just used it as an example,albeight a poor one, of why not to play it

Re: Can someone offer a critique on this hand I played plz?
 

Is this an acceptable call with any of the above:

J-8 suited, J-9o, J-9 suited, J-10o

Why or why not?

Re: Can someone offer a critique on this hand I played plz?
 

I think you find yourself drawing to three outs here often. Fold pre, fold flop.

Jesuitical: With two other limpers(esp if UTG limped)I would limp in the CO or OTB with JTs, maybe J9s(not in MP1). Probably not the "correct" play, but I am looking to go deep and if you flop huge you probably get paid off.

Re: Can someone offer a critique on this hand I played plz?
 

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So I would say your equity is about 38% here.



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www.pokerstove.com ...this is (slightly) more accurate...

Re: Can someone offer a critique on this hand I played plz?
 

Several things.

Firstly the fact he went busto with this hand is a good reason not to play it in the first place. You dont have the odds to hit a really good hand like two pair, trips etc. But you also have negative implied odds if you do hit a marginal hand which you should keep playing, like he did here.

limping in lates position with these blinds with j9suited is bad, in fact I think i even fold this in the SB with only two limpers in front. I probably complete with J10 suited, but thats probably the worst hand to do it with.

With these blinds, you really dont want to be limping with anything, its just spewy. If you play a hand you really want to be going after the pot, and really trying to win any pot you are in. limping and then folding if you miss is just giving your ships away.

And for the guy talking about limping in late position even though it wasnt the "correct" play, just to try and go deep. This is bad. If the only way you can go deep is play speculative marginal hands and hit, you are doing something wrong. If you want to gamble, push over a couple of limpers, least you have some FE then.

Re: Can someone offer a critique on this hand I played plz?
 

push preflop