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joyofpoker 09-21-2007 06:46 PM

Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
Hi Everyone:

Today I'd like to talk about a class of starting hands that most people just fold preflop. Most poker players know how to play big cards like Kings and Tens, they know how to play pocket pairs and how to play "any two suited cards"; but, only the serious pros know how to play Class 5 starting hands.

I tell my students all the time that if they can't put you on a hand, they can't beat you. So, I offer you a hand that I am particularly proud of.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $272.90
BB: $1,174.25
Hero (UTG): $756.00
MP: $828.10
CO: $404.20
BTN: $802.40

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $28.00</font>, 4 folds, Hero calls $20.

<font color="blue">This hand is a Class 5 starting hand. It has the advantage of being able to make a big straight with the Jack, a small straight with the 3 and two different flushes.

I am in the best position at the table. Both blinds are forced to put money in preflop without knowing their cards and I have the immediate position on them and am first to act. I make a standard raise to isolate. MP goes crazy with a huge raise which is a sign of weakness so I call to outplay him postflop. At some point in the hand, I hope to put him to a decision for all my chips. </font>

Flop: ($62) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $8.00</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $60.00</font>, Hero calls $52.00.

<font color="blue">OK, that's a pretty good flop for my hand. I hit all my potential back door draws. Both straights are still live as is my spade flush draw. At this point I put out a feeler bet to see where I stand. He raises me huge again which is almost always a bluff. If he had a real hand, he would probably bet $20 to string me along.

I tell my students all the time: It's important to understand that when people bet so transparently, you have to go with your reads and trust your postflop skills. </font>

Turn: ($182) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP bets $150.00</font>, Hero calls $150.

<font color="blue">Based on his preflop and flop errors, I put him on 78 offsuit or 9T suited. Turn is an easy check to allow him to keep bluffing off his chips because I'm ahead 90% of the time. Remember: You can beat all levels of NLHE with aggressive check/calling. </font>

River: ($482) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $20.00</font>, <font color="red">MP raises to $360.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $518.00 (all-in)</font>, MP calls $158.00.

<font color="blue">Now, I know this river play is an advanced concept and will go over many heads in this forum. It's probably more suited for the top 1% of poker players and guys like grimstarr and ImsaKidd will "get it" right away. But, I'll offer it to the few who might understand.

The river play is a Level 4 blocker. I want him to think that I think that he thinks that I think I have a weak hand that just wants to get to showdown. He falls into my trap and makes a bluffy raise. When people's raise amount have a "6" in it, they are almost always bluffing. So, I push the nuts, he calls, and shows... </font>

AK of hearts and Hero takes down a nice pot. Now that we know both the hands, it's obvious villain misplayed all streets and made a crying call on the end. I doubt he even considered putting me on a Class 5 starting hand, which turned out to be his downfall. Also, remember that the second most misplayed hand in poker is AK, so don't fall into the same trap as this guy did.

I hope you all were helped a little and I shall see you at the tables.

joy

Enervate 09-21-2007 06:49 PM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
LOL

thac 09-21-2007 06:49 PM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
ahahahahahhaahahah

ZOMG_RIGGED! 09-21-2007 06:51 PM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
[clap] well played, sir. Nice hand [/clap]

Enervate 09-21-2007 06:51 PM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
Odds that OP had AK?

ZOMG_RIGGED! 09-21-2007 06:53 PM

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Odds that OP had AK?

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50-50

keikiwai 09-21-2007 06:54 PM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
do you offer coaching?

Brian Townsend wants to know

tbrown932 09-21-2007 06:57 PM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
amazing

React1oN 09-21-2007 06:57 PM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
[x] hero actually played it well

Shaqizzle 09-21-2007 07:00 PM

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"The river play is a Level 4 blocker."

wat

Crazy Porto 09-21-2007 07:00 PM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
this is a genuis play completely retarded but if you really think about it it's beautifull, how much an hour for teaching me your artistically playing style?

Enervate 09-21-2007 07:01 PM

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Odds that OP had AK?

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1/100

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FYP

aditya 09-21-2007 07:02 PM

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Now, I know this river play is an advanced concept and will go over many heads in this forum. It's probably more suited for the top 1% of poker players and guys like grimstarr and ImsaKidd will "get it" right away. But, I'll offer it to the few who might understand.



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LOL at the bolded parts.

eMbAh 09-21-2007 07:03 PM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
you are messias

itWASaDREAM 09-21-2007 07:03 PM

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[ QUOTE ]
do you offer coaching?

Brian Townsend wants to know

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haha, level 4 thinking that Imsakid and Grimstar are going to understand... HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA

Ikaika 09-21-2007 07:09 PM

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you are messias

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I second this without knowing what it means.

joyofpoker 09-21-2007 07:11 PM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
[ QUOTE ]
do you offer coaching?

Brian Townsend wants to know

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Ha Ha, Brian Townsend. He is definitely in that top 1% with Grim and Imsa and even aejones. When guys like that sit at your table, just run run run away.

joyofpoker 09-21-2007 07:15 PM

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this is a genuis play completely retarded but if you really think about it it's beautifull, how much an hour for teaching me your artistically playing style?

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Hi Porto:

Yes, I do coach of course. It helps my bottom line because I seem to go through more massive downswings than most players. I don't think we are allowed to post our specific rates here, but I charge in line with players of my stature, &gt;$5 but &lt;$10 per hour.

And sorry, but I have all the students I can handle right now.

joy

Imrahil 09-21-2007 07:17 PM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
omg i couldnt stop laughing A++++++++.

CalledDownLight 09-21-2007 07:23 PM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
hilarious

Das Budrick 09-21-2007 07:42 PM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
awesome hand

2outs 09-21-2007 07:54 PM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
Damn so funny!!

Stake Monster 09-21-2007 07:54 PM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
Wow now I know how the donks think and play. I am sure they actually think like that. Thanks op.

dkgojackets 09-21-2007 07:57 PM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
post more plz

Rainclouds 09-21-2007 08:02 PM

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I hope to put him to a decision for all my chips

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Nice subtlety [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

StarkNaked 09-21-2007 11:30 PM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
A+, laughing [censored] hard!

ICMoney 09-22-2007 12:36 AM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
Boom.

Teeeeh Nuuuts

SirFelixCat 09-22-2007 12:46 AM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
[ QUOTE ]
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I hope to put him to a decision for all my chips

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Nice subtlety [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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Seriously, was the best part. LOL

[x] thread totally delivers

Vince. 09-22-2007 01:12 AM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
Hand of the year

fearless2k 09-22-2007 01:26 AM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
A++++++ more plz

Man BBV is living up to its name today, Just finished reading Threadcat... ROFLMAO!!! A+

iblufftomuch 09-22-2007 01:28 AM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
Wow. sometimes I have had hands played out this way before and I was just liek 'wtf donkey'... now I realize that I was just outplayed.

Teh1337zor 09-22-2007 01:30 AM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
hahaha vn

TheWorm967 09-22-2007 01:31 AM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
The way poker was meant to be played

fozzy71 09-22-2007 01:39 AM

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post more plz

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Search for all of OP's threads. They are all pure classics

[x] JoyOfPoker = Best Gimmick Account EVARRRRRR

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JJBuffone 09-22-2007 01:40 AM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
A+++ nh sir!

goofyballer 09-22-2007 02:14 AM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
OP used to deliver some great strat in SSNL. I hope he comes back sometime. [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

KSOT 09-22-2007 02:24 AM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
Fantabulous.

Dilznoofus 09-22-2007 03:02 AM

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Based on his preflop and flop errors, I put him on 78 offsuit or 9T suited

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This was a nice touch.

ImsaKidd 09-22-2007 01:41 PM

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Now, I know this river play is an advanced concept and will go over many heads in this forum. It's probably more suited for the top 1% of poker players and guys like grimstarr and ImsaKidd will "get it" right away. But, I'll offer it to the few who might understand.



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LOL at the bolded parts.

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Yeah, I should be included in the top 1%, not an addition after them.

Chaoslord 09-22-2007 02:16 PM

Re: Playing Class 5 Starting Hands
 
very well written [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]


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