I play so so weakly
 

Villain is 25/5, feel free to rip my line to bits

Party Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.25/$0.50 Blinds
5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $60.35
BB: $49.56
UTG: $142.59
CO: $75.29
Kolo (BTN): $49.25

Preflop: Kolo is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Khttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif (5 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">Kolo raises to $2.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $7.00</font>, BB folds, Kolo calls $5.00

Flop: ($14.50) Qhttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif Khttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Kolo bets $8.00</font>, SB calls $8.00

Turn: ($30.50) 8http://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif (2 Players)
SB checks, Kolo checks

River: ($30.50) 9http://legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $27.00</font>, Kolo folds

Pot Size: $57.50

Re: I play so so weakly
 

bet more on the flop.
bet that turn and fold to raise.
I doubt he got a Flush, maybe a set but wouldnt he bet on the flop?
as played, the river is ugly, he tests you.
I guess the fold is ok.

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I think ur right to fold this, queens, kings, aces all beat you, as does a flush obviously, the only hand which u beat if u assume he is a standard tag is AQ and tying AK but i doubt he would bet this much on the river on a board like this - a bigger flop bet would have been more helpful but to me it feels like he slowplayed a set of queens, kings or aces, was worried of the flush and then figured u didnt have it so value bet the river

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Well if you wanna just call preflop then I dont see what value you are getting from betting the flop. By calling preflop you are saying "gee im behind" which means you put villain on JJ+,AK, so what hand from that range are you getting value from with your flop bet? JJ wont call, and everything else has you beat (or chops) so youre turning your hand into a bluff. So for that reason, with your preflop action, you should check the flop behind and try and get to SD.

I dont really mind preflop too much against this really tight dude but as I say, if you flat call preflop, you've misplayed the flop. Dirty flop for you tho.

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I think you have to call the river. You certainly shouldn't be too worried about the flush draw. I think if the villain had a set they'd have bet it out or CR'd the flop. What's they're aggression like?

Didn't see his low pf raise, I'd b/f the turn. Not too sure about the river call now.

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Are stats over a reliable sample size? If so, I think we can put Villain on a pretty tight range (and we probably should do that vs. unknown too). I'm not too concerned about the flush--more concerned about AA/KK/QQ. (AK [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and AQ [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] are both impossible. AJ [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is possible, but isn't super likely in a tight 3betting range.) AA and KK are rather unlikely, given that two A's and two K's are accounted for. QQ seems plausible, but many Villains would have wanted to protect against a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]/a J/a T at some point before the river.

IMO, you're splitting with AK, beating AQ, or beating a bluff-happy JJ/TT often enough on the river to call. You only need to be good 1 in 3 times to make a call +EV.

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As played i would definitly call the river. Your turn check shows so much weakness.

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I think you could have folded a lot earlier, like pf. What range do you think he rr with, KK+? Or QQ and AK when he is feeling frisky? Or a lot of dominated hands? The river is super easy fold, I am surprised you even thought twice about it.

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I think you could have folded a lot earlier, like pf. What range do you think he rr with, KK+? Or QQ and AK when he is feeling frisky? Or a lot of dominated hands? The river is super easy fold, I am surprised you even thought twice about it.

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folding pf is uber weak, AK is a really strong hand...

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This guy flopped a set, no doubt about it.

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This guy flopped a set, no doubt about it.

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now that I thought the whole hand over again I come to the same conclusion. reraising preflop, c/c the flop + potsize bet on the river. set.

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This guy flopped a set, no doubt about it.

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Do you not think this is an incredibly horrible board for villain to slowplay a set on? If he really is check calling flop then checking turn with a set on that board then he it seems rather bizarre because it is so draw heavy. Granted he could well have a set but it just seems a rather scary board to slpowplay on. As played I would probably check behind on the flop b/c I expect to get c/r a lot there after a 3 bet preflop from a guy with those stats. If you are going to bet the flop, bet more. I think the river is pretty close.

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Edit ... too many mushroom, I miss read the hand

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Well if you wanna just call preflop then I dont see what value you are getting from betting the flop. By calling preflop you are saying "gee im behind" which means you put villain on JJ+,AK, so what hand from that range are you getting value from with your flop bet? JJ wont call, and everything else has you beat (or chops) so youre turning your hand into a bluff. So for that reason, with your preflop action, you should check the flop behind and try and get to SD.

I dont really mind preflop too much against this really tight dude but as I say, if you flat call preflop, you've misplayed the flop. Dirty flop for you tho.

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I pretty much agree with you ama and I am not sure why I bet the flop

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I think you could have folded a lot earlier, like pf. What range do you think he rr with, KK+? Or QQ and AK when he is feeling frisky? Or a lot of dominated hands? The river is super easy fold, I am surprised you even thought twice about it.

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folding pf is uber weak, AK is a really strong hand...

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I have no idea what you are talking about. You realize this guy is really really tight right? What possible good can come from calling $5 here. Would you call a push pf from this guy? So many guys rr pf with KK+ and I see absolutely no reason why this guy isn´t one of them.

Tell me a range for this guy and why calling with AK is a good idea vs that range. I think "weak" is the single most overused and pointless word on this forum.

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Check the flop, rep TT/99 and try get to showdown.

As played, i fold river too.

AK preflop seems to be a common problem at uNL due to the vary degree of "QQ shovers" and "QQ Callers"
And i actually dont mind folding it, since you miss alot and when you hit you scare the [censored] out of anything else and get stacked by AA, GG.


Edit: Oh wiat your button, i never fold this pre.

Re: I play so so weakly
 

Jim, when players are this tight, i find their 3b range is often similar to their PFR range. I think calling in position is good.

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Newbie said it.
We got position in the hand, we got AK against a tight preflop raiser, he made a very small reraise.
--&gt; call

I dunno if he got a set here 100% of the time.
Actually his stats indicate that he is kinda weak player, doenst wanna lose too much money preflop. On the other hand, hero raised from the button and SB made a small 3bet, which could mean two things: 1. weakness, he tries to get us out of the pot, 2. strength, he got a monster JJ+,AK.

It is so weird. He check/calls the flop, and checks the turn again. He should see that hero is serious about his hand. Hero checks behind on the turn. He might feel you are weak and his AJs is good. Would he bet that much on the river with a set, when hero clearly shows he doesnt have a set.
I think a turn bet would have made things so much easier.
If he c/r, you can fold. If he c/c you got him.


I hope hero called the river bet, i am so curious.

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I'm going broke on this hand. Bet the turn/call a shove. I really don't think stacks are deep enough to get away from this.

But with that said if you have enough confidence in your read/those stats are from a large enough sample - fine, but then check the flop. Certainly after betting the flop I don't think you can get away from this.

Is it possible villain is playing back at you on this hand? How often have you been going after his blind? Have you been caught out of line?


Interesting hand