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DaCooler 09-19-2007 05:57 PM

KQ sutied facing a 3 bet, fairly common spot that im lost in
 
villian is 18/15/4.5, im running 24/20/3.5 today, i had raised the last 3 hands b4 this and took the blinds and i kind of feel like hes doing this for spite as im raising from the button. Whats the best line here? fold preflop? 4 bet? How about the flop play?


Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
hero: $405
Button: $1179.50
SB: $495
BB: $1101.70

Pre-flop: (4 players) hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">hero raises to $14</font>, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $52</font>, BB folds, hero calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($108, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $72</font>, hero calls.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($252, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB is all-in $371</font>.

Charmer 09-19-2007 06:00 PM

Re: KQ sutied facing a 3 bet, fairly common spot that im lost in
 
depends on how wide the spite made his 3b range, but looks like a fold.

jpsnow 09-19-2007 06:38 PM

Re: KQ sutied facing a 3 bet, fairly common spot that im lost in
 
if you call pf i think you should call here. I probably am folding preflop a lot, but recent history makes it more difficult

DrMagic 09-19-2007 11:22 PM

Re: KQ sutied facing a 3 bet, fairly common spot that im lost in
 
call given recent history

TA3 09-19-2007 11:34 PM

Re: KQ sutied facing a 3 bet, fairly common spot that im lost in
 
If you have a read that he is 3 betting light (SC and small PP), call.

Unknown Soldier 09-19-2007 11:46 PM

Re: KQ sutied facing a 3 bet, fairly common spot that im lost in
 
if i feel the need to call pf theres no way im folding to this action + board

breitling996 09-20-2007 01:20 AM

Re: KQ sutied facing a 3 bet, fairly common spot that im lost in
 
fold the hand pf if your thinking of folding it now... So obv. call call call..

ipokeder 09-20-2007 01:24 AM

Re: KQ sutied facing a 3 bet, fairly common spot that im lost in
 
if you call here you lose every time

ipokeder 09-20-2007 01:24 AM

Re: KQ sutied facing a 3 bet, fairly common spot that im lost in
 
or he has As Ks/Ks Ts exactly

wdead 09-20-2007 01:45 AM

Re: KQ sutied facing a 3 bet, fairly common spot that im lost in
 
I would just fold pre vs this type of guy. He is not playing back, this is just the time he picked up JJ+

yoshi86 09-20-2007 02:04 AM

Re: KQ sutied facing a 3 bet, fairly common spot that im lost in
 
I think u're toast here

mythrilfox 09-20-2007 02:06 AM

Re: KQ sutied facing a 3 bet, fairly common spot that im lost in
 
you played it fine, now call.

thenutz9 09-20-2007 02:20 AM

Re: KQ sutied facing a 3 bet, fairly common spot that im lost in
 
as played call...i still don't like the preflop call much

Subfallen 09-20-2007 02:49 AM

Re: KQ sutied facing a 3 bet, fairly common spot that im lost in
 
Unless u never 4-bet u should raise flop to liek $165 or something some of the time. Preflop is close tho, mebbe fold that.

pp262 09-20-2007 06:24 AM

Re: KQ sutied facing a 3 bet, fairly common spot that im lost in
 
Versus an 18/15 who 3-bets your utg raise from the sb I think it's best to fold preflop. 4-betting seems like major spew against someone with these stats. As played I probably stick it in anyways but berate myself for the preflop call afterwards.

lkjhgfdsa 09-20-2007 06:41 AM

Re: KQ sutied facing a 3 bet, fairly common spot that im lost in
 
snapfold pre

CopTHIS 09-20-2007 07:09 AM

Re: KQ sutied facing a 3 bet, fairly common spot that im lost in
 
Having a feeling that he may be 3-betting light is one thing, but I'd need a little more to want to call the turn. He's not just made a attempt on the flop and then c-bet, but then chucked all his chips in. Generally it's a bit spewy to call there, but obviously you can go with the flow and any feeling on how this guy may be feeling.

Omniheart 09-20-2007 10:34 AM

Re: KQ sutied facing a 3 bet, fairly common spot that im lost in
 
i would fold preflop. Unless he was getting upset with a hand like AK. TT and 99 dont really make that bluff. JJ made it. 18/15 dont reraise from the blinds with garbage. AQ also beats u. AJ is not trying to bluff the queen off.so i think you are beat.

snappo 09-20-2007 10:38 AM

Re: KQ sutied facing a 3 bet, fairly common spot that im lost in
 
given ur likely UTG raising range and a 18/15 SB reraising range vs. it I would prob just fold to the RR preflop. On the turn you're only ahead of AsKs and even that isn't in too bad shape.


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