22 flops set
 

villain seems like a calling station. Maybe I should've raised preflop, but with 2 limpers I chose to just complete.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($25.65)
MP ($14.50)
Button ($20.85)
Hero ($25)
BB ($24.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.5</font>, BB folds, MP calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50.

Turn: ($2.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, MP calls $1.50, Button folds.

River: ($5.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $12.25</font>, Hero calls $8.75.

Final Pot: $30

Re: can I get away from this hand?
 

bet more on every street. as played i call.. your betting looks pretty weak - he could be value raising any 2pair

Re: can I get away from this hand?
 

No, he could have flopped a straight or hit the river with 88. I cant see you giving him respect for either of those holdings and people do crazy stuff all the time. if he flopped a straight well tough luck if he hit a set well tough luck.

Re: can I get away from this hand?
 

raise or fold pf.

Re: can I get away from this hand?
 

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raise or fold pf.

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u raise 22 in the SB after having 2 limpers... you sir have a leak in your game

Re: can I get away from this hand?
 

I raise this pf 100%

Re: can I get away from this hand?
 

I must be the biggest nit here b/c I usually dont like playing anything less then AJo OOP. But 22 here is way better ... please give me some info on why ... especially after 2 limpers?

Re: can I get away from this hand?
 

because you will have initiative in the pot.
(take some downs with Cbets)
while position is important, a pocket pair like 22 is almost useless if you don't hit a set. And if you do, you will be payed off better if you raised pre flop.
I raise any pocket pair from any position if it's not raised to me ( no matter how many limpers and w/e position )

Re: can I get away from this hand?
 

Raising pocket pairs like 22 to 55 everytime seems a little extreme. What if the stack sizes are only 40bb or 30bb? I know this doesn't happen too much but what if utg limps and your in the sb and you raise with 44 and utg 3bets you? If its over your 10% of your stack you can't call and expect to profit. I just feel like the hands you want in with small pps are AK, AQ,and Big pairs, that way you can stack them... by raising everytime they can effectively allowed to 3bet you and effectively force you off your hand. If I'm wrong on this please feel free to tear me apart. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: can I get away from this hand?
 

ok say utg has AA. he limps UTG because he sucks, he also has 40bb because he sucks and does not rebuy.
I raise my 44 in MP.
He 3bets and "showed me his hand"
I fold.
All the other times when he does not have AA here but limps because he's scared of raising, I either:
Take the pot preflop because he is not calling a raise with T7o.
Take the pot on the flop because he missed it and checked to me, where I cbet.
Take down a hugh pot because he did hit but I hit my golden 4, and he can't lay down any decent hand.
Or he hit something and I miss, and I lose my raise and a cbet.

Think of this and reply when you think you understand or if you still disagree with me

Re: can I get away from this hand?
 

I play pretty loose for uNL and I'm only raising 88+ OOP vs multiple limpers. PPs rock and all that, and I'm definitely open-raising and isolating with them from any position, but raising limpers OOP with 22 really is a bit extreme. You'll have a harder time extracting if you flop a set, and you'll have a much harder time winning pots unimproved.

Re: can I get away from this hand?
 

dead money yum [@ the limpers]

Re: can I get away from this hand?
 

No way raising 22 out of SB after 2 limpers at a typical 25NL table is better than completing, just no way.

Also lol@calling ppl who disagree "dead money". Maybe the strategy forums aren't for you [if not the game of poker itself].

Re: can I get away from this hand?
 

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ok say utg has AA. he limps UTG because he sucks, he also has 40bb because he sucks and does not rebuy.
I raise my 44 in MP.
He 3bets and "showed me his hand"
I fold.
All the other times when he does not have AA here but limps because he's scared of raising, I either:
Take the pot preflop because he is not calling a raise with T7o.
Take the pot on the flop because he missed it and checked to me, where I cbet.
Take down a hugh pot because he did hit but I hit my golden 4, and he can't lay down any decent hand.
Or he hit something and I miss, and I lose my raise and a cbet.

Think of this and reply when you think you understand or if you still disagree with me

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your in sb no one is ever checking to you. by this strategy do you just autoraise any hand in the sb with multiple limpers cause most of your basic logic still applies. honest question, im wondering if you do and find it profitable to play so aggressive out of the sb.

Re: can I get away from this hand?
 

first of all boredom im defenately not talking about people who are discussing this. I'm talking about the "several players limping" Sorry if you misunderstood that.

@ kinder, honestly I always raise or call a raise with all of my pocket pairs, 6 handed. I do agree that it's not as profitable to play pps that aggressive from the sb compared from a LP. But still I think it's more profitable than just limping.
if I complete, I have no reads on my opponents when going to the flop, and I'm first to act.

Re: can I get away from this hand?
 

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ok say utg has AA. he limps UTG because he sucks, he also has 40bb because he sucks and does not rebuy.
I raise my 44 in MP.
He 3bets and "showed me his hand"
I fold.
All the other times when he does not have AA here but limps because he's scared of raising, I either:
Take the pot preflop because he is not calling a raise with T7o.
Take the pot on the flop because he missed it and checked to me, where I cbet.
Take down a hugh pot because he did hit but I hit my golden 4, and he can't lay down any decent hand.
Or he hit something and I miss, and I lose my raise and a cbet.

Think of this and reply when you think you understand or if you still disagree with me

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100bb effective stacks
your UTG with 33
you raise standard 4bb (for example)
all fold to a loose/aggressive button/CO who has been 3betting a slightly wide range.
He 3Bets you to lets say 13 or 14bb.

What are you doing here?

I understand the reasons mentioned before and they all make sense. However, OOP with extremely small PP's open limping for pot control I think is fine, the more aggressive the button/co the more I think this applies. Looking forward to your response. Like to hear some other members thoughts as well.

Re: can I get away from this hand?
 

Fold,
Just a tad lower and I might call if he hates me

Re: can I get away from this hand?
 

Crus,

My mistake then.

Re: can I get away from this hand?
 

It's fine =)

Re: can I get away from this hand?
 

Discussed this with a friend of mine.
I think I have a leak here, I should complete in the SB sometimes with low pps, however I still _never_ "open limp" pps

Re: can I get away from this hand?
 

I open all low PP's 22-99 from any position unless I am in the blinds. I would complete here.

Bet more on every street and stack off river.

Sets r teh nutz

Re: can I get away from this hand?
 

raising 2 limpers (one suspected calling station) OOP with 22 seems like giving money away. I like PF.

Anyways, bet more on all streets and shove the river.