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I have thought about an idea for some time and thought I would share to see if there is any interest.

IDEA: Have 4 regulars/uNL guys open/join 2 tables. Everyone would record 1 hour of video starting at the same time. Post the videos for everyone to see different view points of the same hands.

Thoughts:
1. I think it could be a good learning tool for new players.
2. There would definately be alot of 3betting and raised pots.
3. Obviously some of the players might pull moves against the others knowing that its recorded which would be interesting.
4. 1 hour 2 tabling would provide almost 150 hands of 4 different view points.
5. The 2 tables would not necessarily be easy tables and could provide some insight to what sitting at a tough table can be like.

Initially I was thinking if there was some way to do 1 table with the 4 viewpoints and merge them into one video at the same time, but I am not sure if that would be possible.

Anyone think this would be cool, viable, or doable?

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I like it and might do it

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I've seen it on another site, it is cool and doable, but everyone would be trying to outlevel each other with stuff they'd never do against another opponent. It is quite awesome to view though, and yeah it's possible to get all 4 players holecards in the vid, just need a bit of tweaking

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What software would be needed to combine videos we were to try to 1 table and do it?

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but everyone would be trying to outlevel each other with stuff they'd never do against another opponent.

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I think this aspect would help make it a bit more random and it never hurts with aggression pumped up.

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No idea, go to 604poker.com video forums, I know they've done it

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I cant look there while at work, I will check it out.

I still would like to try something like this here at 2+2. Maybe do something this weekend if we can get a couple others.

PM me or post here if you might be interested in this.

For those that have not used video software you can get a 30 day trial using Camtasia for free. You can also find the how to make a video thread to freshen up.

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Yeah I would like to pwn some of you.

NL50 for me. Hour is too long to waste in games that less EV+ than average [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Also vids will be too big to dl them all quickly.

Unless they are shorter and on youtube maybe?

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im deffo in.

Shotgun.

Would need to be on FTP for me tho.

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Thoughts on estimated time Saturday/Sunday that might work just for some planning?

Anyone use MSN messenger? Would that work for setting up time, collaborating an exact start time for the video?

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Sounds like a great idea. I've seen a few tourney videos like this where the holecards of all involved players have been shown in the same video by using a replayer. The hard part about doing it as a single video would probably be audio commentary from several players if you want that. I think using separate audio tracks for each player could turn out well though. Especially if they just recorded audio while playing to remember their thought process and not end up being results oriented, then recorded the audio track that would go in the video while seeing all the cards. That way they could talk not only about their own hands or other hands that went to showdown, but what they thought about any of the hands shown that they had time for at the moment. There would be pretty much no silence at all on any of the audio tracks, and it'd be interesting to see them trying to explain the thought processes of the other 3 players as well as their own.

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I didnt think about the audio if combining the vids into one. I am not a camtasia expert and I dont think I would know how to cut audio tracks etc and use in 1 vid.

For those that have shown interest, would 2 tabling NL50 and using 4 separate vids work?

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Thoughts:
1. I think it could be a good learning tool for new players.


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Maybe yes and maybe no .... you know, a lot of videos exist of good players explaining their play and these player differ in style, so it is not like you don't get different views on similar hands

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2. There would definately be alot of 3betting and raised pots.


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Errr .... this is a wierd assumption (explaination below)

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3. Obviously some of the players might pull moves against the others knowing that its recorded which would be interesting.


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Again, wierd assumption ... basically you wish for a filmed 2+2 table ... that is the kind of 2+2 table you get, when SSNL'ers decide to play 25NL and donk it up big time with lots of minraising and shoving. That is not poker.

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4. 1 hour 2 tabling would provide almost 150 hands of 4 different view points.
5. The 2 tables would not necessarily be easy tables and could provide some insight to what sitting at a tough table can be like.

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Again I don't understand this, there are plenty of videos at tough tables, some free and some not like cardrunners

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Initially I was thinking if there was some way to do 1 table with the 4 viewpoints and merge them into one video at the same time, but I am not sure if that would be possible.

Anyone think this would be cool, viable, or doable?

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I hate the idea, uNL is not and never has been about beating tough opponents ... nor is SSNL for that matter, most of us regs just table select and stay out of each others way ... only firing up the masterblaster if a regs breaks the aggrement and starts messing with us. But I usually quickly make them declare piece ... and holla, if they have position on me I change tables


But all in all, feeding of fish is the one most important skill there is ... which is fairly non-sexy.



I can't vouch for this idea, but I'm sure it can be done.

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I'd just say play a couple of tables, everyone records and comments and some video guy creates a best of with the interesting hands [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Gelford,

Interesting thoughts.

I really dont think it would get too out of line in consideration as a 2+2 table since for those that have shown interest it is one of their primary levels they are playing and they are not gonna just splash off a bunch of buyins trying to look cool.

If you have 4 players regs that is most likely maybe 1 player out of normal table selection. Run six sense/spadeeye or something and take a look at FullTilt and their table selection. For most of the tables you get on you are looking at 3 players that may or may not be 2+2 style players. And for alot of regulars that are multitabling, they are not necessarily going to just up and leave a table if they find that their table has toughened up a bit.

I realize that we definately look for tables with fish, bad players, deepstacks etc to beat uNL, but I think that there is value to learning how to play in situations that arise against solid players. Obviously when you move up there are more players that would be regulars etc, so it cant hurt.

And I am definately not thinking this is going to even compare to a cardrunners vid or anything like that. I can see value in it, and I think it might be interesting to some and even valuable.

Just my thoughts.

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It might, I'm just as usual showing the downside of it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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most of us regs just table select and stay out of each others way ... only firing up the masterblaster if a regs breaks the aggrement and starts messing with us. But I usually quickly make them declare piece ... and holla, if they have position on me I change tables

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Dont know why, but this made me laugh when I reread this. I must not be enough of a regular cause I dont think I have any agreements in place. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Gelford, I think this video is a great idea because it can become a focal point for a lot of discussion, not because it'd be some CR copy teaching people how to play.

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Hehe ... noob [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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It's a cool idea because when I bet, other playes can put me on a hand.

And we wil get a whole bunch of varied opinions throughout the game.

It's a great/cool idea and I'm well up for it.

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I only have 3 days left of using Camtasia btw..

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SHOTGUN YO

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ill join, PM me cause ill prob forget. May be out if its the weekend.

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Ok first off I'm thinking I don't know how useful it is to help because you will have the 4 or w/e players playing very differently than they would at most tables in unl so it'd be very different.


Second off who are you going to get to do this? Assuming that you want to actually get the top flight players in unl... you're going to be asking them to play at a table that is drastically less ev than many other available tables and may even be -ev. I'm not sure if I would do this for one.

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Posted this in the full tilt regulars thread, but id be down.

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Count me in!!!!

<--- 3bettage central

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Pretty much just sounds like a video on metagame...

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I might be able to do this, dunno. Sounds like a fun time.

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Ok first off I'm thinking I don't know how useful it is to help because you will have the 4 or w/e players playing very differently than they would at most tables in unl so it'd be very different.


Second off who are you going to get to do this? Assuming that you want to actually get the top flight players in unl... you're going to be asking them to play at a table that is drastically less ev than many other available tables and may even be -ev. I'm not sure if I would do this for one.

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For your 1st point I would hope that it wouldnt turn into a carnage donk fest like would happen if everyone went to a lower level table and messed around.

And to your second point, the idea is not to necessarily get top flight uNL's, but to get those that are regulars or play alot. Everyone can fix individual leaks regardless of skill level, and something might get pointed out. I would think that there would be some discussion afterwards.

As for the +ev -ev bit, its only 150 hands or so, and I dont think 1 hour playing on a table filled with regulars is gonna hurt either way. IMO

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For you Lego I am sure its LESS EV but still not EV-

Can we do it soon? Like after I've had some food?

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hennnerz..when does your trial run out?

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3 days.

But it was 30 like everyone elses. And I could probs get a crack for it or something anyway.

I could do it 2mo this sort of time probs if not 2nite.

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I cant do it tonight, I have someone lookin at our house this evening.

Friday evening?

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Where are you? I can't do it this time on Friday. Or anytime after now on Friday, I'm going out.

Tomorrow around now I can, or tomorrow like 11am UK time.

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Cant do it during your UK time, I am supposed to be working instead of reading 2+2 right now. PM me with a msn account if you use one and we can touch base through that.

Also on the camtasia crack, if you figure it out I am interested.

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I'd be interested. I was playing hnennerz yesterday though, and it wasn't really 3bet central [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

this has a lot of e-peen waving potential though...

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If this actually happened I wouldn't mind taking part if ppl cared to see my view point. I'll probably release another much better 50nl video this wknd, but I don't mind doing this either.

It'll turn into a big penis-waving fest, but that's cool since I have a huge penis

Edit-- I think this video would be more fun than instructional in terms of unl strategy...but I'm sure there'd still be some thought processes to take away from it

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Anyone thats interested pm me with contact info. Preferably msn messenger if you got it. Would like to try this weekend if possible.

Bozz/Traz/Thac/JK/Clown/Fjbourne/NLNewbie

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I'd do it on stars.

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Anyone thats interested pm me with contact info. Preferably msn messenger if you got it. Would like to try this weekend if possible.

Bozz/Traz/Thac/JK/Clown/Fjbourne/NLNewbie

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I really can't do weekends because I am busy with vacations the next three weekends (lol not so veiled brag)

I wouldn't mind during the weeknights (next wednesday at like 5-6pm est or something)