$11 early level playing AK too weakly??
 

no reads on villain, i think it's quite likely we have same hand here

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t30/t60
10 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t3620
HERO: t1940
UTG+2: t1860
MP1: t1920
MP2: t1740
MP3: t2480
CO: t1800
Button: t1580
SB: t1100
BB: t1960

Pre-flop: (10 players) HERO is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">HERO raises to t200</font>, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP3 raises to t340</font>, 4 folds, HERO calls t140 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t630)</font>.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t770, 2 players)
HERO checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP3 bets t350</font>, HERO folds.

is this too weak?

Re: $11 early level playing AK too weakly??
 

I might play it the same way, giving up on that flop but calling the small reraise.

What do you think about just calling with AK, MP3 raises to 200-250 and hero push? I dont know if this is the time to do the limp-push because you have a lot of chips though.

Re: $11 early level playing AK too weakly??
 

I would just stick it in preflop (after his re-raise) and either double up early or open up a new game.

Re: $11 early level playing AK too weakly??
 

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I would just stick it in preflop (after his re-raise) and either double up early or open up a new game.

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I think i would as well. Pot odds are good enough vs. a random's range imo. Could be AK-AJ, AA-JJ.

Re: $11 early level playing AK too weakly??
 

I play it the same (expect I make it t180 PF).

I don't like a push, but that could be a leak from me...

Re: $11 early level playing AK too weakly??
 

I like your line.

nh

Re: $11 early level playing AK too weakly??
 

With the standard 1500 stack I would just four bet all in. You could be folding out mid pairs and if he does call it is probably either a flip or you have him dominated. Given you have a few extra chips here, I don't mind the call and see what the flop brings.

Re: $11 early level playing AK too weakly??
 

I prefer 150 pf. I like your line and I don't think shoving over his rr would be very bad.

Re: $11 early level playing AK too weakly??
 

For funsies you can shove over the top of him on this flop and then you win when you both have AK because he folds.

Re: $11 early level playing AK too weakly??
 

A few things come to mind here for me...

1) Never go broke with top pair early....I think that goes double for "top high card top kicker"
2) If you do have the same hand, VERY often the first one to bet wins the pot...I think you either have to cBet or plan on your line as above (which I have no problem with). Even with the fold as above you are still on t1600, which is plenty to play with.
3) I believe that a double up here, while it will help your EV, will help the EV of the other players at the table more...i.e. you probably don't gain as much as you might think in terms of EV with this many players remaining this early.
4) If this is a typical $11, there will be lots of chances to take advantage of mistakes.

All in all, I think this is a cBet or c/f situation. I don't like the push at this point...yes it is easy to fire up another one, but this one is CLEARLY not yet anywhere near lost and even with the fold, decent 2+2 regulars should have much more than a solid chance at ITM / potential win...way to early to tell.

Fammy

Re: $11 early level playing AK too weakly??
 

I don't play AK for stacks this early unless I know I'm up against a retard.
But in this hand the size of his reraise preflop means "100% retard" so you can shove with impunity. You are a huge favorite here.

Re: $11 early level playing AK too weakly??
 

nh sir.

I wouldn't rely on villain having the same hand, the chances of him holding a similar strength AK have halved since you are holding the Ac, Kc. This makes the villains range much stronger.

Re: $11 early level playing AK too weakly??
 

How can he C-bet this??? Regardless if indeed you were suggesting to lead at this flop I don't like it OOP. It just doesn't make sense or look like any real hand. If someone leads this flop at me I think that they are real weak and will shove a large % of the time w' AK.

As played flop line for me c/f&gt;&gt;&gt;crai&gt;&gt;&gt;b/f

PF cases have been made for this level before if you had 1500 or so I would be more inclined to go for a limp. Stack sizes given I have no problem with raise call minraise line.

nh OP.

Re: $11 early level playing AK too weakly??
 

I like you line a lot....he has to be on a narrow range if you come in ealry and he repops you.

Re: $11 early level playing AK too weakly??
 

Ryot,

You are telling me that if you are in this situation with AA, KK, QQ and you see 2 diamonds on the board and all under cards you are not going to Cbet with potentially the best hand? A Cbet is consistent with high PP's, and though the odds are higher that the hero is holding AK as compared to AA, they are not so much so if you factor in the possibilites of AA, KK, QQ and potentially even JJ and TT. If I have one of these PP's OR AK (range that villian will have to consider), I am EITHER going to c/f if I don't want to put any more money into this pot, Cbet (if this is a tighter player and I need to figure out if I am facing a PP or I want to give him the opportunity to make a bad call) or CRAI if I have seen the player fold to large raises.

I think Cbetting is a very viable option, especially since we are considering that villian may also be on AK. If he is, unless we have determined he is very aggressive and will come over the top with some regularity, there is a good chance that the villain will be the one that is unable to call the bet rather than the hero. Again, if we think with any level of confidence that the villain also holds AK, the first one to bet will often win the pot.

Fammy

Re: $11 early level playing AK too weakly??
 

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1) Never go broke with top pair early....I think that goes double for "top high card top kicker"

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This is easily some of the worst advice i've ever seen on 2p2.

Top Pair is golden in many situations 'early'. And 4betting AK AIPF is often a great strategy.

Re: $11 early level playing AK too weakly??
 

from experience, that min3bet PF is always a big pair begging for u to push.
AK either rerzs bigger/shoves to not play postflop.

i'd do the same (calling the rerz pf) looking for an A or K (if either flops, u have TPTK and less of a chance he holds AA-KK). if u dont hit check/fold. nh sir. save yer stack.

a 4bet shove isnt too bad of a play either. only really dead vs AA-KK but with u holding the AK it is a little less likely villians holding.

its the min3bet pf that scares me into your line.

Re: $11 early level playing AK too weakly??
 

Danny,

You don't think you will be able to outplay this guy later on? I would really consider this middle or late, but here, I have a little more confidence in my game (and I am not that great) that I am likely to find a better spot than this.

I still like the line as is.

Fammy

Re: $11 early level playing AK too weakly??
 

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Danny,

You don't think you will be able to outplay this guy later on? I would really consider this middle or late, but here, I have a little more confidence in my game (and I am not that great) that I am likely to find a better spot than this.

I still like the line as is.

Fammy

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He means top pair not top high card. And when you are the aggressor and you flop top pair it's standard to get it in most of the time.

Re: $11 early level playing AK too weakly??
 

Hand 0: 51.649% 42.01% 09.64% 129480252 29710722.00 { AKs }
Hand 1: 48.351% 38.71% 09.64% 119313024 29710722.00 { TT+, AQs+, AQo+ }

Even if hes tight like this allin on flop and your ahead, and since its a stupid min raise and 11$ sng thats most likely a much wider range. I dont like playing AK post flop oop since here, so im allin preflop.

Re: $11 early level playing AK too weakly??
 

I would be in the shove preflop camp.

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I would be in the shove preflop camp.

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