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Public Enemy: It Takes a Nation Of Millions or Fear of a Black Planet

A Tribe Called Quest: Low End Theory or Midnight Marauders

Eric B & Rakim: Paid in Full or Follow the Leader

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It takes a Nation
Midnight Marauders(wish I wouldn't lose this so often, on my 5th cd of it [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img])
Follow the Leader

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Fear of a Black Planet FTW!

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bottomset,

they have music on computers now!

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Public Enemy: It Takes a Nation Of Millions or Fear of a Black Planet

A Tribe Called Quest: Low End Theory or Midnight Marauders

Eric B & Rakim: Paid in Full or Follow the Leader

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First of all, these are like 6 of the best rap albums of all time.

For PE, I prefer Black Planet but it's really close.
For Tribe, Low End Theory and it's not very close.
For Eric B & Rakim, I'd take Follow the Leader but really they are both equally awesome.

Three more good ones:

Ice-T: Freedom of Speech or Original Gangster?
Cypress Hill: Cypress Hill or Black Sunday?
Ice Cube: Death Certificate or Predator?

(well okay, Predator wins the last one)

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bottomset,

they have music on computers now!

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yeah I know, i've lost a ton of music files over the years too

the cd is 14yrs old

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Three more good ones:

Ice-T: Freedom of Speech or Original Gangster?
Cypress Hill: Cypress Hill or Black Sunday?
Ice Cube: Death Certificate or Predator?

(well okay, Predator wins the last one)

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Cypress Hill - Black Sunday

I'll be honest, I am not a big Ice-T fan at all so I couldn't really say.

Isn't Amerikkka's Most Wanted supposed to be Ice Cube's highly touted album? Though Death Certificate and Predator are v good obv.

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Public Enemy: It Takes a Nation Of Millions or Fear of a Black Planet

A Tribe Called Quest: Low End Theory or Midnight Marauders

Eric B & Rakim: Paid in Full or Follow the Leader

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It takes a Nation
Midnight Marauders
Follow the Leader

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Public Enemy: It Takes a Nation Of Millions or Fear of a Black Planet

A Tribe Called Quest: Low End Theory or Midnight Marauders

Eric B & Rakim: Paid in Full or Follow the Leader

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PE- can't pick

Tribe - LET by a decent margin

Paid in Full although I'm not a huge fan of either (ducks)

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All of them. Tribe is my favorite group of all time... I really like MM the best (love the songs and the trippy girl voice at the end of the tracks).

If you want to hear NAS's sick first debut, check out the Main Source albumn "breaking atoms". The song is called "live at the barbeque".

You should also try KRS ONE's & DJ Scott LaRock "Boogie Down Productions" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGz3GdPHKzs,and theres tons more...

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Public Enemy: It Takes a Nation Of Millions or Fear of a Black Planet

A Tribe Called Quest: Low End Theory or Midnight Marauders

Eric B & Rakim: Paid in Full or Follow the Leader

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i think the tribe decision is the closest. both are soooo good.

how about

Nas - Illmatic or It Was Written

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Illmatic and you're an [censored] if you think ITW is even close to close.

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"Low End Theody not close" is garbage. Ther's tons of good songs on Midhnight Marauders: Award Tour, Electric Relaxation (arguably the best ATCQ ever), Oh my God, We can get Down and the list goes on.

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yeah none of these are not close...OG is IceTs best though overall.

Also, shouldnt this title read: NEW School Rap Question?
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Illmatic and you're an [censored] if you think ITW is even close to close.

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i think you're wrong, i think it is actually pretty close. i listen to IWW much more these days. that album is sick good.

when i want to introduce someone to nas i play them it was written, it is more accessible to today's listeners. i think people don't want to admit it because illmatic is considered such a classic and it was written is viewed as a more commercial record, but the flows on it was written are so [censored] sick.

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That's exactly why I think it isn't close. Trackmasters blow, even for pop production. The beats on Illmatic are just epic.

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HAY GUYS I WONDER IF DIDS HAS POSTED IN THIS THREAD YET.

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I like Death Certificate considerably better than Predator FWIW.

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I like Death Certificate considerably better than Predator FWIW.

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There are peopel that don't?

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No love for De La Soul?

Also, I guess I'm retarded because my iTunes says I listen to MM more than LET.

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I like Death Certificate considerably better than Predator FWIW.

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There are peopel that don't?

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WHAT THE [censored] JOKER THAT IS THE WORST OPINION EVER.

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I like to point out that Buhloone Mind State is a very underrated album.

Question I posed to Soul Daddy - What's the general rap fan consensus on Tribe?

I am a casual rap fan, but really liked Tribe back in the day (also think Low End Theory is better, but I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Electric Relaxation). Maybe there's some East Coast bias in there, I was listening to them when I lived in NJ/CT/NY. I even own Q-Tip solo albums (they are not that good).

-Al

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Same question (not to derail this thread but am listening to "Quality" right now so was curious) about Talib Kweli...

-Al

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Rap fans generally dig Tribe, save for Beats, Rhymes and Life, which is pretty suspect.

I have a theorum that states that almost every hip-hop group ever with 4 plus albums got better with the 2nd release and then got much worse with each subsquent album. Outkast potentially being the only exception.

People are more mixed on Kweli. He gets points from coffee shop heads for his topics, but up until his most recent stuff his delivery has been really iffy to me. It took him years to not sound just flat nervous on the mic.

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Have you got Eardrum yet? It sounds much more commercial. Just look at Hot Thing ft Wil.i.am, it sounds like it was made to be popular. I have to say that even though this album is still fresh Id put it up there with his best works. Kweli stuff for me goes - Black Star > Quality > Eardrum > Reflection Eternal > Beautiful Struggle

obv Mos Def helps make blackstar my favourite but still Kweli held his own on it.

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I have a theorum that states that almost every hip-hop group ever with 4 plus albums got better with the 2nd release and then got much worse with each subsquent album. Outkast potentially being the only exception.

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does WuTang count in your theorem?

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Wu-Tang fails the test because Enter the 36 is better than anything by a huge margin, unless you count the solos and then it gets confusing.

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Illmatic, eh?

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lol

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I have a theorum that states that almost every hip-hop group ever with 4 plus albums got better with the 2nd release and then got much worse with each subsquent album. Outkast potentially being the only exception.

What about Run-D.M.C. ?

I think their albums just better and better.

RIP Jason Mizell aka Jam Master Jay

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I like Death Certificate considerably better than Predator FWIW.

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There are peopel that don't?

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WHAT THE [censored] JOKER THAT IS THE WORST OPINION EVER.

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Not really. I think cases can be made for both. I'd say "Wrong Ni**a to F*ck Wit" off DC is the best track on either record, but I just love "When Will They Shoot?" and "We Had To Tear This Mothafu**a Up" not to mention "Wicked," "It Was a Good Day," and "Check Yoself"

I mean come on.

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Not guilty the filthy devils tried ta kill me
When the news get to the hood then [censored] will be
hotter than cayenne pepper, cuss, bust
Kickin up dust is a must
I can't trust a cracker in a blue uniform
Stick a [censored] like a unicorn
Vaugn, wicked, Lawrence Powell, foul
Cut his [censored] throat and I smile
Go to Simi Valley and surely
somebody knows the address of the jury
Pay a little visit, "Who is it?" (Who is Ice Cube?)
"Can I talk to the grand wizard?" then boom
Make him eat the barrel, modern day feral
Now he's zipped up like leather tuscadero
Pretty soon we'll catch Sergeant Coon
Shoot him in the face, run up in him witta broom
Stick prick, devils ain't [censored]
Introduce his ass to the AK40 dick
Two dazed [censored] layin in the cut
To get some respect we had to tear this [censored] up

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The production on Predator makes the discussion a non starter in the first place, but Death Certificate is a top 10 all time classic to me. Predator isn't close in any way shape or form.

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Not guilty the filthy devils tried ta kill me

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I opened the back room to our classroom in high school to find my best friend tearing down a storage cabinet while chanting this lyric. He was pissed that he got a B in newspaper staff. Cube knows how to reach his audience.

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I opened the back room to our classroom in high school to find my best friend tearing down a storage cabinet while chanting this lyric. He was pissed that he got a B in newspaper staff. Cube knows how to reach his audience.

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Awesome.

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Lunch, punch, Hawaiin lyin
[censored] ain't buyin
ya story bore me
Tearin up [censored] with fire, shooters, looters
Now I got a lap-top computer
I told you all what happened and you heard it, read it
but all you could call me was anti-Semitic
Regret it-nope, said it-yep
Listen to my big black boots as I step
[censored] had to break you off somethin, give Bush a push
But your National Guard ain't hard
You had to get Rodney to stop me cos you know what?
We woulda teared this [censored] up

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I mean COME ON! Nobody writes like this anymore in rap. Nobody.

By the way, this is so NT doesn't get pissed.

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PE sucks.

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Hey look a bunch of white guys with black dudes as avatars arguing about rap.

Sweeeeeeet.

Predator FTW

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FWIW on the hip-hop board I reader they're having a classic album tournament.

The finals:

Midnight Marauders vs. DEATH CERTIFICATE

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Lunch, punch, Hawaiin lyin
[censored] ain't buyin
ya story bore me
Tearin up [censored] with fire, shooters, looters
Now I got a lap-top computer
I told you all what happened and you heard it, read it
but all you could call me was anti-Semitic
Regret it-nope, said it-yep
Listen to my big black boots as I step
[censored] had to break you off somethin, give Bush a push
But your National Guard ain't hard
You had to get Rodney to stop me cos you know what?
We woulda teared this [censored] up

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"I mean COME ON! Nobody writes like this anymore in rap. Nobody."

Ice Cube doesn't even write like this anymore... Hasn't for a long time. He was so great and fell off so hard.

So hard.

Love the old stuff though. My Summer Vacation has a great flow.

"I'm a goner Black, St. Louis [censored] want they corner back..."

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Also people do write like that still, you just don't hear them on MTV anymore.

/me throw Brother Ali's entire catalog at Private Joker.