20 6Max: Readless JJ from BB early
 

Trouble spot for me:

Blinds 20/40
UTG (1550)
Villain1, button (1600)
Hero (1380), BB

UTG raises to 140, Villain1 calls, Hero with J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] raises to 450, UTG folds, Villain1 calls.

Pot: 1100

Flop: Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero ?

Re: 20 6Max: Readless JJ from BB early
 

I dont understand the question when u reraise with JJ here u can check/fold bet/fold , check call is so bad. Both lines are thin added to the fact AKQ will come on the flop 50% of the time you put yourself in this spot.

PITS

Re: 20 6Max: Readless JJ from BB early
 

I'd push preflop, Hate playing jacks oop with under a PSB in the stack.

With this much in, I think were committed. I like the following, in this order.

1: Push the flop
2: CRAI the flop
3: Bet 250 and fold to a push.
4: Bet 250 and call a push.

I honestly think were pretty fine with any of them, I dont think it matters too much. What matters is his range, his aggression level, How often he calls without a pair of queens or better, How often he bets if we check without anything. Without reads, I cant answer any of those. Sheerly based on stack sizes, I think we should have pushed preflop, and now that were here, were committed.

Re: 20 6Max: Readless JJ from BB early
 

Just on the basic assumption that this flop has missed villain, I lead. Normally, I'd say half pot, but that basically means you're all-in. His call signals weakness and I see his second call as feeling committed.

That's the aggressive play, obviously. You might do better to check and see what he does given what I perceive to be weak play. Maybe he tosses out a little bet that you can read as nothing and come back over him or he plays big and you can fold.

I like leading and putting the pressure on.

Re: 20 6Max: Readless JJ from BB early
 

I'd lead the flop...since any reasonable sized bet commits you I would just shove.

Interesting that villain flatcalled twice, the second time for over 1/4 of his stack...wouldn't shock me if he flipped over a big pair.

Preflop I would've shoved with 340 already in the pot...you might get looked up by a worse pp since it looks "squeezy".

Re: 20 6Max: Readless JJ from BB early
 

This is a basic problem, I think:

I bet 250 preflop, he pushed, I called. I wanted him to push here with 1010/99, thinking that I have AK and whiffed. With a Q on the board and the only likely hand that beats me here being AQ, I liked trying to induce a push from a mid-pair rather than giving a free card / unfolding a scare card on the turn and killing my action.

Preflop, I was trying to come up with a plan that did not committ me but maximized value against one opponent's 99/1010, who may come along for the ride preflop at this level. My plan was to fold to a push preflop OR to fold if an A or K came out. My main reason for this plan was that I have no reads and have an issue with putting myself in a "well, there is 300 in the pot and I'm OOP, JJ is too strong to fold here 6-max, just push."

Barry

Re: 20 6Max: Readless JJ from BB early
 

I'd generally CR here. I'm just looking to get my stack in when I've put 1/3 of it in already. If you bet, you have to call, but I hate that sinking feeling when they push. Actually, if I bet here, it's a shove because it looks more like AK.

Re: 20 6Max: Readless JJ from BB early
 

push pre

Re: 20 6Max: Readless JJ from BB early
 

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I have no reads and have an issue with putting myself in a "well, there is 300 in the pot and I'm OOP, JJ is too strong to fold here 6-max, just push."


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Whats wrong with that? Can you show a way to net more than 20% of our stack on average here, from OOP with a hand that doesnt hit sets often and is a favorite to flop an overcard?

4Card

Re: 20 6Max: Readless JJ from BB early
 

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Trouble spot for me:

Blinds 20/40
UTG (1550)
Villain1, button (1600)
Hero (1380), BB

UTG raises to 140, Villain1 calls, Hero with J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] raises to 450, UTG folds, Villain1 calls.

Pot: 1100

Flop: Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero ?

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Given the fact that villain1 just flatcalled a UTG raise and your 3-bet, i think that his range is almost exclusively PP's < JJ. With AQ/AQs i think he either shoves or folds when you make it 450. KQs should have been a fold after your 3-bet too. That said, whatever he has, he's playing it very badly, so it's hard to narrow his range. I would lead out for 700-750 here and call if he shoves. 700-750 will make your hand look like AK and might induce him to shove 66-TT.

Re: 20 6Max: Readless JJ from BB early
 

At first I liked a CR but the more I look at this it looks like a flop shove. Depending on your oppponent, betting half your stack to commit yourself may look strong enough to fold out hands that you want to call. from his point of view he is probably only worried about whether or not you hit that queen so if you shove and he is holding 66-TT, he can convince himself you are shoving AK and call.

Re: 20 6Max: Readless JJ from BB early
 

Thanks for the opportunity to respond to one of your posts. You are always gererous with your time and wise advise on mine.

I have to agree with the field. Push now. That is less than a pot sized bet and you have committed 1/2 your stack with any other reasonable bet so bet and fold to all in is out of the queston. A push btf is a reasonable alternative.