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Just been released here (England) as an independent feature film rather than going under the Grindhouse banner, so forgive me if this thread has been done before.

I absolutely loved it - Stuntman Mike has gone down as one of my favourite Tarantino characters behind Jules, and Madsen's two characters. I loved the whole scene with Mike observing his prey in the bar and watching him change into this great psychopath in the car. Then the deaths of the first 5 girls absolutely blew me away - that crash was simply amazing, my jaw was on the floor.

A fair few people in the theatre hated it mainly because 'OMG it looks soo old' and 'FFS this projectionist is useless!!!' and a few of my friends thought the dialogue-driven scenes dragged, but this is all part of the fun of a Tarantino movie for me.

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obviously this thread has been done. i thought there were a couple of amazing scenes in this movie and the rest was borderline torture, but apparently that was his goal?

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Poitier is hot.

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When I saw this movie, my friends and I were laughing most of the time. It was really that bad. How could anyone like this???

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When I saw this movie, my friends and I were laughing most of the time. It was really that bad. How could anyone like this???

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Further proof that you are a silly wrong bald man.

This movie was possibly Tarantino's best movie, really awesome that they released it by itself. Kinda wish they'd done that here too. I mean, the two movies together setup offputting expectations for them both...plus it's hella long. If it wasn't for the trailers it would have been totally painful.

--GA

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Deathproof = siqq amazing

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When I saw this movie, my friends and I were laughing most of the time. It was really that bad. How could anyone like this???

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Because it was a fun and light-hearted popcorn flick. If you went in expecting the new Pulp obviously you are going to be disappointed. If you watch it for some stupid, mindless, but fun entertainment its awesome. It probably works better if you know a little about old B-movies and the grindhouse movies.

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Pity it wasn't Suckproof

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This movie was exactly what I expected.

To those that didn't like it - didn't the previews pretty much tell you EXACTLY what kind of movie it was gonna be?

Tarantino + b-movie style = Guaranteed ridiculous but fun. Don't go in expecting a real plot.

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This movie was possibly Tarantino's best movie,

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I have not seen the movie yet, but when I read comments like this it makes me really want to see it since I do like most of his work. Then I read other comments about it being a total mindless b-movie with only explosions and other superficial entertainment and no plot. Do you agree with those conclusions? I would find it hard to believe that this movie is better than Pulp Fiction or Kill Bill and it completely lacks anything that resembles a plot.

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GA - I loved it, but it is nowhere near his best. He has made a superb b-movie, but great as it is a movie of this style is never going to go down as a classic. Each to his own though I guess.

Case Closed - It is a mindless b-movie with no plot yes. Don't let this stop you from enjoying the film though. I think a lot of the people hating on this film for those reasons are just being overly pretentious and snobbish tbh. The same things could be said of Kill Bill 1 & 2 tbh, but that would just be missing the point of the movies.

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I have not seen the movie yet, but when I read comments like this it makes me really want to see it since I do like most of his work. Then I read other comments about it being a total mindless b-movie with only explosions and other superficial entertainment and no plot. Do you agree with those conclusions? I would find it hard to believe that this movie is better than Pulp Fiction or Kill Bill and it completely lacks anything that resembles a plot.

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Do know the scene in Pulp Fiction where Vincent and Jules are about to knock on the door but they hang back and the camera waits impatiently for him? Well, that is what happens in Deathproof only the dialogue lasts an hour and a half and its not funny, witty or entertaining, its straight up painful. Someone said that this was Tarantino's intention, that grind house movies are formatted with boring filler to get you to the awesome actions scenes. The ending to deathproof was exhilarating, awesome, scary, perfect, unique etc.

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I have to agree that the dialogue in death proof sucked compared to other tarantino movies.

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The problem isn't that it's mindless exhilaration... far from it!
Two good bits: car chaes/crashes at middle and end.
One mildly diverting bit: lapdance scene

The rest is Zzzz

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OK yeah the dialogue is sometimes weak. I think it's because it starts slow...esp. after just seeing people blowing up tanks and getting their dicks shot off in the first movie but I like the convos of the second group of chicks. Especially the scene in the restaurant.

That stuntwoman is so awesome, tho obv not a real actor. It helps if you realize that those women are playing characters based on the actresses in Kill Bill. So while the conversation is bland, there's so much going on in terms of their relation to this offscreen philandering director and the way he mirrors QT's manipulation of them in the action sequences.

Like, the mixtape that he makes for her birthday= the long musical sequences of the first group in the bar. It seems like a romantic gift, but its cold comfort for the f--king they get by KR's 70's icon black phallus of doom.

It's that relationship, the one between the real stuntwomen and the male hero badass from the movies that inspired this one, that is so cool to me.

--GA

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Why wasn't there more killing in this movie? Stuntman Mike started out cool but went out like a pussy. Movie was way too long. Dialouge was supposed to be funny and witty (I guess) but it was terrible and the girls were just awful actors. I feel like this entire movie was just so QT could let that girl do the big stunt at the end.

Terrible disappointment. I would challenge people to sit through multiple watchings of this.

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I've seen it 3 times.


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The dialogue is very good, but of course it doesn't compare to Reservoir Dogs / Pulp Fiction because those are all-time greats.

The people who hated this movie mostly just expected more. I did too, but once you sit back and take it for what it is it really comes to life. Witty dialogue, hot chicks, cool action scenes... it's a dope movie.

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When I saw this movie, my friends and I were laughing most of the time. It was really that bad. How could anyone like this???

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Further proof that you are a silly wrong bald man.

This movie was possibly Tarantino's best movie, really awesome that they released it by itself. Kinda wish they'd done that here too. I mean, the two movies together setup offputting expectations for them both...plus it's hella long. If it wasn't for the trailers it would have been totally painful.

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whaaaaaaa???????????

deathproof was terrible and im a huge tarantino fan. I went with my friends who are also big fans and the best part of the whole movie was afterwords completely ripping on how terrible it was. The dialogue was absolutely atrocious, the movie was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to long. Since we all love tarantino so much we just decided that he had to have made it so bad on purpose because thats how the original movies were, because we couldnt bear the thought of him just being so clueless as to think that movie was actually good.

I'd prolly rather go to the dentist than sit through that movie again.

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It really is clear that this movie divides people who would have often previously liked the same films. Examining the various boards (such as imdb) we get an equal measure of love and hate. Personally I can see where the haters are coming from but for me this movie gripped me in a way that very rarely happens.

I loved the dialogue, the acting and of course the direction in particular. There are so many engineered B movie moments and wonderful shots, little touches that are clearly added for only a film buff to enjoy. I did get taken out of the movie once when Zoë is on the bonnet of the girls borrowed car. That scene went on too long and I just couldn't help myself thinking "why don't they just stop the f-ing car!".

The payoff at the end of the movie was also incredible, we really want to see it happen after what happens to the first set of girls.

For me this is easily one of the best movies I've seen this year, and yet strangely I can really see where the haters are coming from. If you don't click somehow with what Tarantino wants you to click with then it's all going to seem forced and silly.

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[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] GA and agree with everything evil twin said

For me, the movie just clicked; I could see what Tarantino wanted me to see, feel what he was going for, etc. It's hard to explain, and I don't think it's possible to convince anyone who didn't see it that way.

Oh, and Kurt's performance is A++, ldo.

edit: let's see: the first time watching this I was totally enthralled by all the little hints and changes in their meaning

there's the moment where he drops the pictures and one lands face up. in a normal movie of this kind, that would mean she would be the one who would survive and end up defeating him. but is it there for that, or for quentin to level us, or something more complex?

there's the moment where you think you're watching a dialog scene in the diner, then you notice Kurt watching the girls from the background, and it's never given attention by the camera

I'll add more later

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more: 'cause, you know

So for me a big part of the experience was the meta stuff, that relied on the rules of the genre and of the film itself.

In the first half Ferlito's pic lands face up, and it's kinda set up that she would be the survivor of the group. But no, she gets destroyed, and she turns out to be not special at all.

So then in the second half there's all that talk of Zoe being indestructible, plus the audience's knowledge of who she is, plus the possible meaning with the title of the film, that would seem to imply something. But do we go by that or by the 'rules' established earlier, which say she'll take the loss?

blah blah blah, I guess what I'm saying is that there's a lot behind the plot, a lot to think about, and though I only saw it once, I can imagine that it will get even more interesting on subsequent viewings

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I downloaded it and ended up skipping to the final 15 minutes. Attention span ftl!

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When I saw this movie, my friends and I were laughing most of the time. It was really that bad. How could anyone like this???

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Ok, so a movie makes you laugh for most of two hours, and you think it was bad?

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Ok, so a movie makes you laugh for most of two hours, and you think it was bad?

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I guess he means they were laughing at how bad it was, but in a way this is Tarantino's desired effect from my understanding.

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I can't believe that stupid, fat moron Weinstein is releasing these in separate packages and not one long double feature like the theatrical release. So utterly stupid. F!!%E%^ck you Weinstein.

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I can't believe that stupid, fat moron Weinstein is releasing these in separate packages and not one long double feature like the theatrical release. So utterly stupid. F!!%E%^ck you Weinstein.

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I think the decision to realease them as 'Grindhouse' at the cinema sucked balls for a whole bunch of reasons.

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I can't believe that stupid, fat moron Weinstein is releasing these in separate packages and not one long double feature like the theatrical release. So utterly stupid. F!!%E%^ck you Weinstein.

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I think the decision to realease them as 'Grindhouse' at the cinema sucked balls for a whole bunch of reasons.

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Well it certainly hurt revenues. 3+hr length meant that the theater could fit fewer showtimes in a night, and a lot of moviegoers were turned away by the length or their confusion at the double-feature concept. BUT seeing the films, plus the fake trailers, and the whole presentation, was a theater experience that I'll never forget, and a success artistically, imo.

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I agree it is a better artistic success showing it as a double feature, but not one all that many people will appreciate. To the guy ragging on Weinstein - hes a [censored] producer dude. It's his [censored] job to make sure this film is as successful as possible. This film is going to be nowhere near as successful marketed as a double feature. Don't hate the playa hate the game.

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This film is going to be nowhere near as successful marketed as a double feature.

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I personally think it would sell a hell of a lot more copies as a reasonably priced double feature as shown in the theatres.

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This film is going to be nowhere near as successful marketed as a double feature.

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I personally think it would sell a hell of a lot more copies as a reasonably priced double feature as shown in the theatres.

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Because Grindhouse fared soo well at the theatres.....

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I wouldnt buy one, the only reason to get it would be for "planet terror" and the previews, but if I had to pay a bloated price just cuz "deathproof" was included id pass

and anyway, splitting them is so disgustingly +EV its not even worth discussing

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yeah, i think splitting them + matching packaging = best bet for most $$$.

then of course down the line release a box set with tons of extras, etc.

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This film is going to be nowhere near as successful marketed as a double feature.

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I personally think it would sell a hell of a lot more copies as a reasonably priced double feature as shown in the theatres.

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Because Grindhouse fared soo well at the theatres.....

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That doesnt prove anything. Many movies do better much better sales on DVD than during it's theatrical run. That's why so many come out on DVD so quickly even if they're succesful at the theatres.

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This film is going to be nowhere near as successful marketed as a double feature.

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I personally think it would sell a hell of a lot more copies as a reasonably priced double feature as shown in the theatres.

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Because Grindhouse fared soo well at the theatres.....

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That doesnt prove anything. Many movies do better much better sales on DVD than during it's theatrical run. That's why so many come out on DVD so quickly even if they're succesful at the theatres.

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Yes, but a lot of the reason Grindhouse wasn't successful at the cinema was because of the double feature thing. So I don't know why you think it would be any more successful as a double feature DVD. Deathproof has opened as a standalone film over here and I'm pretty sure it is going to be big whereas Grindhouse definitely would not have been.

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it really isn't gonna be that big jay. also i don't think it would have fared that much better in america as a standalone than grindhouse did.

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Maybe wishful thinking on my part then.

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I didn't get to see this at the cinema and am really bummed about them being released separately on DVD. I would have made it a point to get a babysitter for the kiddies had I known. So now I don't get to see the famed trailers until they inevitably release the "special edition" in ten years? What a scam.

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I imagine the trailers will be included on the regular DVD as extras.

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