Potential Multiaccounting in the 530$ WCOOP
 

There are a few accounts in the 530 WCOOP who are playing well above the ability of someone with their past results, with 12 left the chip leader is fredmainiac

his account has played 37 <10$ buyin tournaments only

http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/pok...568154.html?t=2

he is playing an expert aggressive game and has been at or near the chiplead for hours

666 INRI (At table 666)

2 11$ tournaments EVER on pokerstars

http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/pok...82C242.html?t=2

wNwNw1

seems like this player is playing differently after sitting out for a few hands deep, possibly a bought acccount

http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/pok...04354D.html?t=2

Obviously i could be way off on all of these people who could just be huge luckboxes but i think pokerstars should be checking to see if these accounts were played from their normal IP or if they are connected to other accounts.

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is it not absolutely expected to give it to someone else than playing for 20hours straight?

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is it not absolutely expected to give it to someone else than playing for 20hours straight?

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which accounts did you play

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is it not absolutely expected to give it to someone else than playing for 20hours straight?

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They are playing 17 hrs. This is not unheard of in the poker world. So the simple answer to your question is a resounding no.

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are you looking for a job with PS?

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Jealous much?

So when I went from a break even 25NL player to winning 10R's I was multi-accounting?

No I just started to learn what I'd read and not play like a donk.

Knock off the paranoid conspiracy theories, you do know someone has to win? So if you put 100 $2 SNG players in a tournament one of them would have to win?

You do understand that concept right?

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are you looking for a job with PS?

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No - I just really appreciate the fact that this WCOOP series is delivering tournaments that aren't [censored] luckfests. The structures befit the prizepools.

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Definitely possible. As far as I can see there's no donk left in this in contrast to some of the Sunday Millions.

And no, I don't think INRI is in his 3rd tournament ever.

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where did u heard it luckyloyd? on live events are they playing for 17hours straight? i think it should be 2 days event. that way 17hours straight if there are 2 poker players on a house they get an advantage... obviously

and fatalerror dont be so jealous with the guys.

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Jealous much?

So when I went from a break even 25NL player to winning 10R's I was multi-accounting?

No I just started to learn what I'd read and not play like a donk.

Knock off the paranoid conspiracy theories, you do know someone has to win? So if you put 100 $2 SNG players in a tournament one of them would have to win?

You do understand that concept right?

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rofl?

Is it just me or is this the dumbest post in the history of the internets

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20hr events practically demand account sharing...

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"Obviously i could be way off on all of these people who could just be huge luckboxes but i think pokerstars should be checking to see if these accounts were played from their normal IP or if they are connected to other accounts. "

Why that?


666 INRI (At table 666) ^^

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Jealous much?

So when I went from a break even 25NL player to winning 10R's I was multi-accounting?

No I just started to learn what I'd read and not play like a donk.

Knock off the paranoid conspiracy theories, you do know someone has to win? So if you put 100 $2 SNG players in a tournament one of them would have to win?

You do understand that concept right?

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Huh? 10r's are like the same thing as 25nl. That doesn't prove anything.

Our point is that like..YESTERDAY he was playing 4$ SNG's, and losing. Now he's playing a 530$ tourney for 17.5 hours and playing damn near perfect pre-flop poker. There's suchhhh a huge difference.

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He was also the first guy to ask for a chop at the FT. Would someone who bought out his account ask for this? Does Chris Moneymaker come to mind?

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Wow, Its WCOOP, tons of players who never play at pokerstars play these events because its the WCOOP. I do agree that the fredmainiac guy is suspiciously good to be playing 4$ sng's, I dont know when he played them though.

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Wow, Its WCOOP, tons of players who never play at pokerstars play these events because its the WCOOP

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I don't totally agree with this. Sure, the WCOOP brings in a few random people to play the events, but for the most part, what it does is just make sure EVERYONE who plays tournies online is in the events.

I don't know anyone outside of the MTT world who has any idea what the WCOOP is, and even if they did I don't think they would specifically show up to play events. Even my 2p2 cash game friends, who play on Stars, don't pay attention to anything and have no real idea about anything the WCOOP has to offer.

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Wow, Its WCOOP, tons of players who never play at pokerstars play these events because its the WCOOP

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Key point, obviously PokerStars should probably check all players as they usually do but I dont think we should label anyone weve never heard of as definite cheats. (altho someone losing at low end sng's and then transforming into this guy weve seen here is suspicious)

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where did u heard it luckyloyd? on live events are they playing for 17hours straight? i think it should be 2 days event. that way 17hours straight if there are 2 poker players on a house they get an advantage... obviously

and fatalerror dont be so jealous with the guys.

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I have played live tournaments that run 16+ hrs. In Ireland, even one day live events have very good structures. It is standard for €200 - €500 events to run for over 12 hours. And multi - day tournies will sometimes have the second day go over 12 hours if neccesary.

However, has no - one ever worked 24 hrs straight? Never worked a long shift; played poker all night and gone into work the next day? Never played a live cash session in vegas for a sick amount of hours?

Come on folks. I agree that two day tournies would be a good idea. But I could put up with this if I had gotten this far. The money is very, very good at this point.

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Wow, Its WCOOP, tons of players who never play at pokerstars play these events because its the WCOOP

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I don't totally agree with this. Sure, the WCOOP brings in a few random people to play the events, but for the most part, what it does is just make sure EVERYONE who plays tournies online is in the events.

I don't know anyone outside of the MTT world who has any idea what the WCOOP is, and even if they did I don't think they would specifically show up to play events. Even my 2p2 cash game friends, who play on Stars, don't pay attention to anything and have no real idea about anything the WCOOP has to offer.

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lol

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Wow, Its WCOOP, tons of players who never play at pokerstars play these events because its the WCOOP

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I don't totally agree with this. Sure, the WCOOP brings in a few random people to play the events, but for the most part, what it does is just make sure EVERYONE who plays tournies online is in the events.

I don't know anyone outside of the MTT world who has any idea what the WCOOP is, and even if they did I don't think they would specifically show up to play events. Even my 2p2 cash game friends, who play on Stars, don't pay attention to anything and have no real idea about anything the WCOOP has to offer.

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lol

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I'm going to bed, so I'm not gonna argue. But why do you laugh?

I don't know anyone outside of 2p2/P5's/whatever MTT people who think the WCOOP is a BIG deal. It does attract some people, but it's not something that people plan their lives around or anything. Especially now that it is so hard to get money on/off of sites for Americans. John Doe, the random guy who plays at your local casino who saw the WCOOP ad in Cardplayer probably can't even get 530$ online to play in this tournament.

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I know a fair number of cash game players who play the WCOOP for the large prize pools and slow structures. These players rarely play other online tournaments. Personally, I play these and the occasional Sunday Million but not a whole lot of other tournaments.

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I know a fair number of cash game players who play the WCOOP for the large prize pools and slow structures. These players rarely play other online tournaments. Personally, I play these and the occasional Sunday Million but not a whole lot of other tournaments.

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I think I mispoke really badly in my post, I guess it can happen when you've been up like 25 hours straight.

What I was trying to emphasize is that the WCOOP doesn't attract everyone and everything like some people think it does. People who already play online actively, are more likely to hear about it and enter, but the random selection of fish who play mostly live are not nearly as likely to play in these events as they once were.

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FREDMAINIAC is playing like one of the top 10 online MTT pro's, there is NO way the actual player would be able to play the FT bubble (owning Bill Ivey) that well after playing for 15h+ straight...but then maybe we can get Bill Ivey's look at things

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he called him jan!

suspicious?

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666 INRI at table 666.

Isn't INRI the letters on top of the crucifix in the bible?

If so, ZOMG.

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From the Sweat thread:

taktloss47 said, "nh jan"
fredmainiac said, "jan is coaching me"
taktloss47 said, "glgl ^^"
fredmainiac said, "but says hi"


Fredmainiac is being "coached" by Jan Heitmann?

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/play...=r&n=25825


Plot thickens, etc.

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I don't really play tournaments, but I was under the impression that one person to a hand rule doesn't apply online.

Is it illegal to:
1) Have someone telling you what to do on every hand?
2) Have someone take over your account if they haven't played in the tourney?
3) Have someone take over your account if they have played in the tourney?

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No, none of this is illegal, at least on Stars. It's definitely unethical, and I wish it didn't happen, but Stars has a policy that it's impossible to enforce, so they don't try.

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Is it illegal to:
1) Have someone telling you what to do on every hand?
2) Have someone take over your account if they haven't played in the tourney?
3) Have someone take over your account if they have played in the tourney?

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I think the answer here is no, no, yes.

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I think things are getting out of hand when we start prosecuting players for being good and unknown.

A history limited to 4$ SnGs seems like strong argument against these accounts belonging to the type of people who want to spend 1000$ in weekly Sunday Mil buyins alone. Although I agree that it might be a case of bought accounts - keep in mind that the account would have been bought well into the tournaments - so were no longer comparing the play of these players to the standard of a "4$ sng player", we should be using the standard of a "4$ sng player who won/bought his way into a 530$ tournament and beat out like 95% of the field".

Unless the suggestion is that the accounts were bought prior to the beginning of the tournament for multiaccounting purposes which I suppose is possible, but why wouldn't a multiaccounter just create his own accounts?

I'm not saying don't pass on your thoughts to Stars and discuss and investigate them here, but keep in mind that unknown players coming into huge mtts and winning is common (certainly more common than multiaccounting not matter how widespread the prob is) and we don't have any real evidence to go on.

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I think things are getting out of hand when we start prosecuting players for being good and unknown.

A history limited to 4$ SnGs seems like strong argument against these accounts belonging to the type of people who want to spend 1000$ in weekly Sunday Mil buyins alone. Although I agree that it might be a case of bought accounts - keep in mind that the account would have been bought well into the tournaments - so were no longer comparing the play of these players to the standard of a "4$ sng player", we should be using the standard of a "4$ sng player who won/bought his way into a 530$ tournament and beat out like 95% of the field".

Unless the suggestion is that the accounts were bought prior to the beginning of the tournament for multiaccounting purposes which I suppose is possible, but why wouldn't a multiaccounter just create his own accounts?

I'm not saying don't pass on your thoughts to Stars and discuss and investigate them here, but keep in mind that unknown players coming into huge mtts and winning is common (certainly more common than multiaccounting not matter how widespread the prob is) and we don't have any real evidence to go on.

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This is a good point, I mean my bankroll is only a few thousand dollars, because I play those levels of tournaments/cash is where I feel my game is and where I feel comfortable playing (I just play for fun, and the occasional completely unnecessary electronics purchase when I run good.) However, I have done fairly well for myself outside of poker, and a few thousand dollars doesn't mean much to me. So, 2 years ago I won a seat in the WCOOP ME and decided to play it, even though my biggest tourney before that was probably a $20 FO. I'm not a particularly good player, but compared to many million FTs I've seen I'm like a seasoned pro. I agree that multi-accounting is a concern, but not everyone with < 100k in winnings is multi-accounting.

edit: oh yeah and I agree with imsakidd, I think (3) on that list is against the rules.

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666 INRI was bad and nitty when I played with him with like 400-600 left.

I played with fred at that time too but couldn't really get much of a read. He was kinda loose but wasn't clear if he was good or bad.

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FREDMAINIAC is playing like one of the top 10 online MTT pro's, there is NO way the actual player would be able to play the FT bubble (owning Bill Ivey) that well after playing for 15h+ straight...but then maybe we can get Bill Ivey's look at things

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I had Fredmainiac on my immediate right for the first few hours of the tournament (my only table, he busted me).

Even in the early stages of the tournament he was playing pretty solid, aggressive tournament poker and I became a little suspicious at the time to be honest. Also on my left was a player named "CrabLar" who was also playing pretty solid tournament poker with resteal shoves very frequently, he has 6 total tournaments player on Stars prior to this event.

I definitely think there has to be some multi-accounting going on, it's unfortunate we don't really have any way to prove anything though.

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wardekar crablar is a 2+2'er, HSNL, vg player

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lol crablar is regular cash game player, kingofdrafts on 2p2

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lol at crablar being suspicious.

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FWIW jan heitmann is a german pro who plays most major events including the wsope me.

dunno if he plays on that account though, his ps acc is "erdnase" afaik

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Why does that make it multi Accounting? I consider myself a good tourney player. My sample size is tiny, why? Because I play cash games, I don't have many hours to give to playing tourney's, (job GF etc..) When I do play a tourney it's usualy something small to just relax and enjoy. My results are great but Avg buyin is low.


Some cash game players who might play 2 / 4 NL only could easily buy in to this event and be totaly under our radar. Also Eurodonks who play on Eurosites.

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FREDMAINIAC is playing like one of the top 10 online MTT pro's, there is NO way the actual player would be able to play the FT bubble (owning Bill Ivey) that well after playing for 15h+ straight...but then maybe we can get Bill Ivey's look at things

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I had Fredmainiac on my immediate right for the first few hours of the tournament (my only table, he busted me).

Even in the early stages of the tournament he was playing pretty solid, aggressive tournament poker and I became a little suspicious at the time to be honest. Also on my left was a player named "CrabLar" who was also playing pretty solid tournament poker with resteal shoves very frequently, he has 6 total tournaments player on Stars prior to this event.

I definitely think there has to be some multi-accounting going on, it's unfortunate we don't really have any way to prove anything though.

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lol, crablar is one of the better 5/10, 10/20 nl regs, who was asking me some tournament advice for a portion of the tournament.

btw did u fold QQ in that KT97x board?

Also: MTT folks, when someone plays real good, consider the fact that its not that hard to play good in MTTs. It's hard to play exceptionally well, but if u are just doing avg decent moves and stuff you can look like a genius if ppl dont see your cards.

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yea that Crablar is a huge donk, it must be lilholdem or someone playing on the account...