Mumia Abu-Jamal
 

Wondering if you all know the story of Americas #1 political prisoner Mumia Abu-Jamal. Just read quite alot about his case and i now feel disgusted by the actions of my country.

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What an insightful and helpful OP. You rule at the internet..........

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Honestly, when I was a liberal I did all the research I could, WISHING I would discover that some huge injustice had been commited and I would have yet another grievance against my country.

Even with this biased mindset, I found it was clear that there is nothing about the case the indisputably puts him in the clear. Not even close.

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im so sorry edge i will never post again, so sorry again, im such an idiot

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t50 what about another man confessing to the crime as a mob ordered hit on a straight and narrow cop

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Before I type out a response to this bs, I need some clarification. Do you actually know the first thing about Mumia Abu-Jamal, or are you just returning from a Rage Against The Machine show?

Let me guess... Free Leonard Peltier, killing Pookie was America's Greatest injustice since slavery, Che Guevara is an idol, etc....

If you do in fact, have enough comprehension of this story to have a debate, we'll talk. But I'm not getting into it with a clueless RATM fan again.

You say you've "Read alot about it" was this reading research on your own, or pamphlets you picked up at the RATM show?

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Wondering if you all know the story of Americas #1 political prisoner Mumia Abu-Jamal. Just read quite alot about his case and i now feel disgusted by the actions of my country.

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Have we put this thug to death yet? I am also disgusted by the lack of action in his case. Put this clown out of his misery.

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not a RATM fan, i was originally turned on to the story by a freind, ya ive seen the pamphlets but also researched online, library, etc, i do realize material put out by left wing groups could easily be slanted, but if you look at the fbi's behavior in regard to the black panthers during the time period, a frame up certinly seems likely

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not a RATM fan, i was originally turned on to the story by a freind, ya ive seen the pamphlets but also researched online, library, etc, i do realize material put out by left wing groups could easily be slanted, but if you look at the fbi's behavior in regard to the black panthers during the time period, a frame up certinly seems likely

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"The FBI's behavior" wasn't unusual in the least. They knew these facts at the time:

The Panthers are militant
The Panthers are stockpiling guns
The Panthers are roving the streets
The Panthers are conflicting with local police

Using those facts, they began an investigation. I really hate to burst your bubble, but I've got the facts to back this statement up. The Panthers were a street gang, nothing more. The Panthers are no different than the Bloods or the Crips.

The fact that they've played race as an issue should not distract you.

The Panthers at that time were stockpiling arms, and involved in the drug trade. They are also involved in several murders. See Betty Van Patter for details.

The FBI did what the FBI does. They investigated, then began to attempt to infiltrate, what they considered to be a threat to American safety.

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ok you make a valid point. Is it your belief that the FBI under J Edgar Hoover was only infiltrating groups that posed a legit safety threat? It is well known that they had infiltrated avowedly non-violent black rights groups in the south and had an extensive spying operation on Martin Luther King

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ok you make a valid point. Is it your belief that the FBI under J Edgar Hoover was only infiltrating groups that posed a legit safety threat? It is well known that they had infiltrated avowedly non-violent black rights groups in the south and had an extensive spying operation on Martin Luther King

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Why is that an issue? Of course the FBI infiltrated groups that were not a danger to America, they still are investigating people I don't believe to be a threat to America, namely Cindy Sheehan. I can't stand her POV, but she's no threat to America.

The Panthers, on the other hand, had a history of violence, drugs, and were stockpiling weapons, and not just "12 gauge Shotguns and .38 Revolvers" as they would like you to believe. Also, the FBI becomes very concerned whenever a group designate themselves the new "Police" for a community.

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Wondering if you all know the story of Americas #1 political prisoner Mumia Abu-Jamal. Just read quite alot about his case and i now feel disgusted by the actions of my country.

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Ever read about the West Memphis Three?

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I used to walk by the place where he murdered a police officer every day.

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"I'm going to make sure the [impolite term for negro] fries"
- Judge presiding over the case, over heard by court stenographer.

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ok you make a valid point. Is it your belief that the FBI under J Edgar Hoover was only infiltrating groups that posed a legit safety threat? It is well known that they had infiltrated avowedly non-violent black rights groups in the south and had an extensive spying operation on Martin Luther King

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Have you ever actually read COINTELPRO? The thing people that trumpet this as clear evidence of governmental racism don't ever mention is that J Edgar Hoover's FBI was targeting the KKK and neo-Nazi groups as well. The Blackpanthers were a much more influential group and percieved as a bigger threat.

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The focus was to find out and bring down communistic threats we faced from within our country if I remember correctly, it's been a while since I read about it.

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Free a murderer because you think he has some political message?

No tx. Not sure he should be executed but deffo should get to enjoy the rest of his days imprisoned.

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LOL at RATM and ZdlRs politics. Awesome band, esp. the Battle of LA, but way around the bend. Then again, some people think Rubin Carter was innocent because Dylan wrote a song about him, and that got the convictions set aside.

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In addition to the predictable Wikipedia entry, Rotten.com has a surprisingly good article on Mumia as well.

Actually, the entire Rotten.com library makes for some really cool reading. (Note that while most of rotten.com is very very NSFW, the sections I've linked to are pretty tame.)

If anyone cares, he totally did it and he totally deserves a new trial.

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Honestly, when I was a liberal I did all the research I could, WISHING I would discover that some huge injustice had been commited and I would have yet another grievance against my country.

Even with this biased mindset, I found it was clear that there is nothing about the case the indisputably puts him in the clear. Not even close.

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LOL, I spent a whole day once doing the same thing with Leonard Peltier. There's just nothing there with either of these guys; complete campus legends, nothing more.

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Wondering if you all know the story of Americas #1 political prisoner Mumia Abu-Jamal. Just read quite alot about his case and i now feel disgusted by the actions of my country.

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He shot and killed a cop during performing a traffic stop.

Why does it disgust you that he is in prison for life?

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Honestly, when I was a liberal I did all the research I could, WISHING I would discover that some huge injustice had been commited and I would have yet another grievance against my country.

Even with this biased mindset, I found it was clear that there is nothing about the case the indisputably puts him in the clear. Not even close.

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LOL, I spent a whole day once doing the same thing with Leonard Peltier. There's just nothing there with either of these guys; complete campus legends, nothing more.

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Yea, I've never understood what the big deal was with Peltier. I've done the same, and honestly, that case is totally open and shut. At least with Mumia, there is a little room to argue, although admittedly, not alot.

I think what it all boils down to is that some people just have such a bias against any law enforcement officer that anyone accused of killing a LEO must be somehow innocent, because obv, the LEO must've done something wrong because "they're all corrupt".

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Honestly, when I was a liberal I did all the research I could, WISHING I would discover that some huge injustice had been commited and I would have yet another grievance against my country.

Even with this biased mindset, I found it was clear that there is nothing about the case the indisputably puts him in the clear. Not even close.

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LOL, I spent a whole day once doing the same thing with Leonard Peltier. There's just nothing there with either of these guys; complete campus legends, nothing more.

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Yea, I've never understood what the big deal was with Peltier. I've done the same, and honestly, that case is totally open and shut. At least with Mumia, there is a little room to argue, although admittedly, not alot.

I think what it all boils down to is that some people just have such a bias against any law enforcement officer that anyone accused of killing a LEO must be somehow innocent, because obv, the LEO must've done something wrong because "they're all corrupt".

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With Peltier I think there was a lot of attention on Indian issues at the time, both actual & pop culture (Billy Jack, etc).

W/Mumia, if it had been a black cop in Atlanta instead of a white cop in Philly, he'd've rode the lightning long ago and no one would've paid the scantest attention. Even Al & Jesse haven't gone near him in years. RATM is a good band, in the same way Hanoi Jane is a good actress, but LOL at the grim, joyless earnestness of both of them.

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He killed a cop. I'm against the death penalty, and it's doubtful he'll get it before he dies anyway, but let's not make the guy into a martyr.

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Honestly, when I was a liberal I did all the research I could, WISHING I would discover that some huge injustice had been commited and I would have yet another grievance against my country.

Even with this biased mindset, I found it was clear that there is nothing about the case the indisputably puts him in the clear. Not even close.

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LOL, I spent a whole day once doing the same thing with Leonard Peltier. There's just nothing there with either of these guys; complete campus legends, nothing more.

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Yea, I've never understood what the big deal was with Peltier. I've done the same, and honestly, that case is totally open and shut. At least with Mumia, there is a little room to argue, although admittedly, not alot.

I think what it all boils down to is that some people just have such a bias against any law enforcement officer that anyone accused of killing a LEO must be somehow innocent, because obv, the LEO must've done something wrong because "they're all corrupt".

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With Peltier I think there was a lot of attention on Indian issues at the time, both actual & pop culture (Billy Jack, etc).

W/Mumia, if it had been a black cop in Atlanta instead of a white cop in Philly, he'd've rode the lightning long ago and no one would've paid the scantest attention. Even Al & Jesse haven't gone near him in years. RATM is a good band, in the same way Hanoi Jane is a good actress, but LOL at the grim, joyless earnestness of both of them.

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When you really think about it, I'm not delusional enough to think that what I do is important to life as we know it on this planet. No. But neither is what you do.

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I think many celebrities would do well to heed this message.