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We deserve more of a justification for why the thread has been moved to a place most of us can't access.

-Michael

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Considering how much Im down to those idiots, yea, I'd like to second your request for more information.

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i dont play in those games (anymore) and dont really want access.

but you really should let the ppl with pertinent information collaborate.

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We deserve more of a justification for why the thread has been moved to a place most of us can't access.

-Michael

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I'm assuming this was done so that those accused aren't aware of how we're tracking them, but I would think that they'd already be onto it anyway. I can't say I'm too happy about this.

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bbv has the info from about 2/3 of the thread before it got moved.

basically, don't play higher than 30/60 on abs until this gets sorted out.

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yawn - still waiting for real evidence.

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CROSSPOST FROM MY POST IN ZOO:

I might owe some people some apologies in the near future since i just realized that DOUBLEDRAG was one of the accounts ppl were accusing.

Quick anecdote: I played the guy at 15/30NL and to say he steamrolled the table would be the understatement of the year. First off, his VPIP was at LEAST 95%. No joke. He was prob raising or re-raising 50% of hands too...and doing F'd up stuff like min-reraising OOP all the time. Anyway, never saw him show down a loser (that i can remember altho i'll check my stats). My friend walked into the room while i was playing and i told him he had to watch this, that i was getting owned by DOUBLEDRAG and id never been so close to accusing someone of cheating. lol -- will be interesting to see how this turns out. i think he took me for like 6 grand or so. He had turned his $6,000 buy-in into $28,000 in around 200 hands playing 95% VPIP. That's hardly a smoking gun, but boy-oh-boy. Mods, if u want my HHs of this guy, let me know.

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Teddy,
Post in the BBV thread they are looking for more evidence

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Can we please have the thread back? The BBV one is already gigantic; the removal of the original thread has not stifled anybody, just made the evidence trail harder for people to follow. We're all on the same side here - can we please have the thread back?

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I don't have access rights to move threads from the mod forum. I'll talk to a higher up and if they want to, they can. I still don't agree with it but it seems as though everyone here disagrees. Meh.

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i think it should be kept private

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I don't have access rights to move threads from the mod forum. I'll talk to a higher up and if they want to, they can. I still don't agree with it but it seems as though everyone here disagrees. Meh.

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When we talked on AIM I was in agreement that keeping this on the down low until it could be inverstigated was the prudent choice so I support your decision to lock the thread. However, there is new information now. With this popping up all over the internet and in multiple forums it seems impossible to keep it from the alleged cheaters and that allowing the reputable high stakes regulars to share data and thoughts in that thead makes sense.

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Seriously wtf

Everyone here has a right to this info. If they cheated and know about this they will obv stop, but it wont change what people can prove

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So Doubledrag is sitting at the 10/20nl right now and i beleive he is losing a few k. The table is so monitored I can't see the table, I just saw his chip stack going down. After big rumors about him cheating on the site i would assume that would be the reason such montitoring of the table. After watching him play 7 sessions and win every session, usually winning anywhere from 3-10 buyins..After a week of being off the site and dumping 250k he finally is back and suprisingly losing lol. I wonder if he saw our threads.


Out of the 3 players that we are analyzing of possibly cheating; playing with him in limit and nl and watching several of his sessions i beleive very much so that he is/was cheating in some form i'm unsure of.

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He can't even lose sensibly:

Stage #764321824: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 20:13:36 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - GP333 ($9955.55 in chips)
Seat 4 - HYPERMOUSE ($6433.40 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($3607.70 in chips)
Seat 1 - JPO123 ($1752.50 in chips)
HYPERMOUSE - Posts small blind $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
JPO123 - Raises $60 to $60
GP333 - Raises $240 to $240
HYPERMOUSE - Folds
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $220
JPO123 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [10c Qh 6h]
DOUBLEDRAG - All-In $3367.70
GP333 - Calls $3367.70
*** TURN *** [10c Qh 6h] [Kh]
*** RIVER *** [10c Qh 6h Kh] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GP333 - Shows [Kd Ks] (Three of a kind, kings)
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [3h 2s] (Flush, king high)
DOUBLEDRAG Collects $7283.40 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($7285.40) | Rake ($2)
Board [10c Qh 6h Kh 8h]
Seat 1: JPO123 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: GP333 (dealer) HI:lost with Three of a kind, kings [Kd Ks - P:Ks,B:Kh,P:Kd,B:Qh,B:10c]
Seat 4: HYPERMOUSE (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: DOUBLEDRAG (big blind) won Total ($7283.40) All-In HI$7283.40) with Flush, king high [3h 2s - B:Kh,B:Qh,B:8h,B:6h,P:3h]

This is sick.