JJ over pair in 3-way getting pushed hard
 

I got no words to describe MP2. The guy caps hands like A7o pre-flop. He plays any 2 hands hoping to bust someone with strange holdings or backdoor draws.

mp3 was 40/~10 over ~50 hands. I've only seen him raise Ax or 2 high cards.

Titan Limit Hold'em, $0.05/$0.10 (Titan HH Converter by Kreatief)

Button ($1.67)
SB ($3.07)
BB ($55.77)
MP2 ($1.27)
MP3 ($0.94)
CO ($3.68) (Hero)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls,

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ( 5.2BB )
MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls,

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( 9.7BB )
MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Hero ???

Flop thoughts (2 options):
<ul type="square">[*] raise to figure out if MP3 is just continuing his AK trying to pickup the pot or actually has a hand. And hopefully force out MP2[*] call and hope I won't get outdrawn on high cards of by some gutshot of MP2[/list]Turn thoughts:
I don't think the turn could helped anyone. MP2 might have something like QJ that would let him call the flop. MP3 could have nut flush and was building the pot on the flop. But could also have me beaten easily with over pairs. I think I should fold because all I can beat is a draw if it doesn't hit on the river, although the pot is pretty big :s

Thoughts?

Re: JJ over pair in 3-way getting pushed hard
 

Since it's low limits i push since the other guy could easisly just be betting hit top pair with hands like J10Q10K10A10 i would push on the turn and hopefully you have the best of it.

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sorry did not realise it was limit in that case no one is probably going to fold to your reraise just check call down.

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I think 99 and TT is definetly part of MP3's range, after his raise, and his willingness to three barrel you on the flop. However, alot of people on these stakes want to slowplay their sets, and I think we can discount the sets a little because of this.

I am going to call this turn. If he checks on the river, we can bet/fold, and if he bets we can call.

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I am going to call this turn. If he checks on the river, we can bet/fold, and if he bets we can call.

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Say I call the turn and MP2 folds, the river would be 11.5 BB. So if he checks, I bet and he raises you suggest I should fold a 14.5BB pot for 1 bet? I guess either calling his raise or just check it out would be a better play, no?

Re: JJ over pair in 3-way getting pushed hard
 

Preflop: Fine to me...

Flop: Fine too

Turn: Don't consider folding. You probably have the best hand. Don't fear a set too much, here. Draws are pushed a lot at this limit.

Calling down is fine here. Even if you actually were against a set, you cannot fold the turn. Most of the times you're ahead.

A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] would be a sucky river card, though.

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Turn: Don't consider folding. You probably have the best hand. Don't fear a set too much, here. Draws are pushed a lot at this limit.

Calling down is fine here.

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If we probably have the best hand, why aren't we raising and making MP2 call two cold?

Re: JJ over pair in 3-way getting pushed hard
 

3 way you have to call. The other guy isn't going to fold, because he has a draw or top pair and is going to see the end of the hand. Take the equity you have and call down.

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The word you are looking for is idiot. Or maybe moran.

This is top pair or a flush draw a lot and the idiot is putting dead money in there as well. Raise the turn, if you get 3-bet again call the river, if he just calls bet a blank river.

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thats a lot of bets you are throwing in there to blow out MP3?

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thats a lot of bets you are throwing in there to blow out MP3?

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It's one or two bets to make money off the times he doesn't hit his draw and suck more out of the calling station.

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i think im capping this flop and then raising turn and slowing to aggression.

i dont see why we should cap the flop.

i agree that tt and 99 are very much part of his range as are AKh AQh, QJh, KQh or even just QJ or 2 random hearts. and with any of these hand im trying to put in a ton of bets on the flop and turn. there are many of these combination which far outweigh the ability of having TT or 99

i think we would have to know an aggression factor to be for sure but i know i would be trying to cap this flop with any of those hand trying to do the same thing we are (building or isoing)

i raise turn, then if we get 3-bet calll and call river were good enough here to justify this play

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Kerowo, if we're feeling that good about our hand, why didn't we just cap the flop and lead the turn? I think MP2 is much more likely to put in the extra flop bet than two cold on the turn.

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Kerowo, if we're feeling that good about our hand, why didn't we just cap the flop and lead the turn? I think MP2 is much more likely to put in the extra flop bet than two cold on the turn.

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I'm really not much of a capper actually. No good reason, it's just not something I do a lot of on the flop so looking at the hand it didn't really strike me as out of line as calling the turn.

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Kerowo, if we're feeling that good about our hand, why didn't we just cap the flop and lead the turn? I think MP2 is much more likely to put in the extra flop bet than two cold on the turn.

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I'm really not much of a capper actually. No good reason, it's just not something I do a lot of on the flop so looking at the hand it didn't really strike me as out of line as calling the turn.

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It also seems like if we cap the flop and face aggression on the turn, we have a better idea where we stand cheaper than getting 3b'd on the turn.

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flop is so standard. this is a pretty standard calldown here after he 3bets. Show us the [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the river for the somewhat more marginal decision.

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flop is so standard. this is a pretty standard calldown here after he 3bets. Show us the [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the river for the somewhat more marginal decision.

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This is actually the line I would take, to (hehehe "too"), but it between capping flop and raising turn I like the flop cap better.

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But could also have me beaten easily with over pairs.

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It should be pretty clear to you that you are not going to see overpairs here often enough to consider these in villain's range.

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But could also have me beaten easily with over pairs.

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It should be pretty clear to you that you are not going to see overpairs here often enough to consider these in villain's range.

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mmh? Ok this one is not clear to me, can you explain why please? I think he could very well have AA/KK too allot of the time, or am I suffering from MUBS?

Re: JJ over pair in 3-way getting pushed hard
 

Those hands usually cap preflop.