25/50 intressting turn situation.
 

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Fi is a 30/22/2 with almost who plays very aggresive.
Have only played 1k hands against him but he seems to play pretty well.

BossMedia Game #753376766: Table Table TH 708 - $25.00/$50.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:02:41 - 2007/09/14
Seat 1: EL-MILAGRO ($5435.00)
Seat 2: afkagain ($5000.00)
Seat 3: Alusch54 ($5441.00)
Seat 4: HERO ($4894.00)
Seat 5: olemandus1 ($9706.44)
EL-MILAGRO posts the big blind of $50.00
olemandus1 posts the small blind of $25.00
HERO is the button
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Ah Th]
afkagain folds
Alusch54 folds
HERO raises $150.00
olemandus1 calls $150.00
EL-MILAGRO calls $150.00
*** FLOP *** [Ts Ad 9d]
olemandus1 checks
EL-MILAGRO checks
HERO bets $350.00
olemandus1 calls $350.00
EL-MILAGRO folds
*** TURN *** [Ts Ad 9d] [Qc]
olemandus1 checks
HERO bets $800.00
olemandus1 raises $6300.00

Re: 25/50 intressting turn situation.
 

flip a coin I think, probably fold.

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call pretty fast

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Has he overbet this much before?

I would probably call here because I think you are a marginal favorite against his range, but the size of the bet makes it extremely high variance when you are probably 55-60% at most.

Many of the hands that are ahead of you would probably have reraised preflop (AQ and any set) which makes it a more difficult call.

Re: 25/50 intressting turn situation.
 

same action and we hold A9?

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call pretty fast

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call pretty fast

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Wow no wonder why people say hey 350 to stack him with gutshot if you suggest shoving. Thats so bad... to call here. I mean seriously what do you beat AJ?
This guy probably has JK, AQ, 99 25 combos right there, lets not get crazy and add into the mix QQ. Noone does this with AK if they do they are a bad player.

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if you are thinking KJ is that possible then QT, Q9, Jx diamonds, etc tons of other combos he can have just as easily wtf

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[ QUOTE ]
BossMedia Game #753376766: Table Table TH 708 - $25.00/$50.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:02:41 - 2007/09/14
Seat 1: EL-MILAGRO ($5435.00)
Seat 2: afkagain ($5000.00)
Seat 3: Alusch54 ($5441.00)
Seat 4: HERO ($4894.00)
Seat 5: olemandus1 ($9706.44)
EL-MILAGRO posts the big blind of $50.00
olemandus1 posts the small blind of $25.00
HERO is the button
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Ah Th]
afkagain folds
Alusch54 folds
HERO raises $150.00
olemandus1 calls $150.00
EL-MILAGRO calls $150.00
*** FLOP *** [Ts Ad 9d]
olemandus1 checks
EL-MILAGRO checks
HERO bets $350.00
olemandus1 calls $350.00
EL-MILAGRO folds
*** TURN *** [Ts Ad 9d] [Qc]
olemandus1 checks
HERO bets $800.00
olemandus1 raises $6300.00

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hahahahahahha call really really fast.

Re: 25/50 intressting turn situation.
 

Looks pretty much like 8j..

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AQ QQ 99 probably reraise preflop.

I think he is more likely to have a huge combo draw or pair+draw. Yes, he could have J8 or KJ suited, but he could just as easily have Jxdd or QJdd or similar and trying to push you off your A with a semibluff.

I think it is a marginal call, but still a call.

Re: 25/50 intressting turn situation.
 

I was in the insta-call camp at first but thinking about this some more I'm really not that sure... he should have figured out by the turn that you're not screwing around and have a big enough hand, and that turn card hits your whole range perfectly so he should realize it's a pretty horrible card to make a move on... I don't know, I probably wouldn't be able to get away from this but it's anything but an insta-call, if you think about it.

Kirk

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AQ QQ 99 probably reraise preflop.

I think he is more likely to have a huge combo draw or pair+draw. Yes, he could have J8 or KJ suited, but he could just as easily have Jxdd or QJdd or similar and trying to push you off your A with a semibluff.

I think it is a marginal call, but still a call.

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Its a bad call.

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Looks pretty much like 8j..

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calling is really marginal at best....

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This is marginal either way. The queen hits your range well and villains flop call is weak so he if he balanced he should CR when he hit his straight draw and some of his drawing hands since you will be betting the turn alot, esp a queen turn. Maybe also flopped sets if he doesnt reraise pre with 99 or TT.

AT here is IMO kind of a drawing line to where you should be calling.

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I think this is a straight or a combo draw with great equity. The only two pair is AQ.

Tough spot. I'd lean towards folding.

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I would have bet more on the flop fearing the flush draw, what normally happens when you have two pair and there is a flush draw is you bet light and a big fear card comes down, I dislike that a lot and so bet hard in those spots,

The queen is a big danger card for you, if the guy has trips so be it but a big bet on the flop A BIG BET on the flop would have been better and then if nothing peels off on the turn you have to be able to easly make a pot sized bet or take a pot sized bet, the guy going all in is scary I would lay it down Its to much money and that tied with me not protecting "My pot"..

Its a fold for me but of course you were in top shape on the flop, I get the feeling he would have called an all in bet from you on the flop,, straight and flush draw? ,

what ever what do I know, results?

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I'm folding. Funny I had the same situation last night, 2 pair and I put him on the straight, called though as we weren't deep. Sure enough he had it only it was the junk end but he had it nonetheless. J8.

Re: 25/50 intressting turn situation.
 

I only see AQ and J8 to make sense. Both those hands raise big because there are several river cards that weaken their hand (board pairing, king, jack, diamond).

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Against most people, he's not doing this often with draws, and the rest of his range, you're crushed against it, drawing to 2 or maybe 4 outs. But it depends heavily on how he views you.. so some info on your own stats, maybe sn if you like, would help.

- AB

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i call but its close

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I think most sets and two pair hands re-raise flop in a multi-way hand on a board like that, I don't think KJ chases the gutter here and if he had KJ of diamonds, I think he's re-raising the flop to try and fold an ace or get it in there as he is roughly a coinflip versus ur range, I think he does this with any other combo/big draws on the flop (qjd etc). So what hands do u guys put him on? Do u think hes flat calling pre-flop with AQ or QQ? What about the other hands that might play like this: Q10, Q9, J8, is he calling out of the sb with these? I'm just not sure what u guys think he has here since I think most big hands (big draws, sets, combo draws, two pairs) play that flop pretty fast, so I think the queen must have changed the situation but for that to be the case he must either be calling oop pf with some pretty junky hands (Q10, Q9, J8), or smooth calling
pf oop with AQ or QQ - both seem unlikely

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I think the most likely hands here are J8s and AQ though so I would fold, both would prob play this way if he cold calls pf with AQ sometimes.

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call, he could be shoving so many things here that have reasonable Equity (gutters + FD + Pairs) against a call knowing that you cant call without the eff nuts

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Looks like KJ, trips, or combo draw. You are behind two of those and you've shown him only A, so villain is sure you don't have str8 and wants you to shut up and ship.

If he has 2 pr should have raise flop. To put him on bluff you would have had to see him do similar b4, and with QT9 on board he has to have considered 2 pr are likely, making call to his shove a high danger.

If behind, 4 outs. Fold it.

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I'd fold here. I almost always see a better hand when I call in a spot like this one.

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If anyone wonders i had j8 and hero called. i thaught he had set so i went allinn for value.

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If anyone wonders i had j8 and hero called. i thaught he had set so i went allinn for value.

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you weren't trying to bluff him off KJ?

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If anyone wonders i had j8 and hero called. i thaught he had set so i went allinn for value.

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you weren't trying to bluff him off KJ? [/quote
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