400NL: AQ OOP on A high board vs aggression
 

Villain is 13.5% VP$P, 10.36 PFR%, 14.42 WtSD%, 33.33% W$aSD

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 8 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $360.80
BB: $931.20
UTG: $453.60
UTG+1: $406.00
MP1: $398.00
MP2: $532.80
CO: $411.70
BTN: $104.70

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8 Players)
4 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $16.00</font>, BTN folds, Hero calls $14.00, BB calls $12.00

Flop: ($48) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="red">CO bets $40.00</font>, Hero calls $40.00, BB folds

Turn: ($128) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $120.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero?</font>

Re: 400NL: AQ OOP on A high board vs aggression
 

Fold. You beat nothing here. We could even argue whether you could've already folded on the flop...

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Fold. You beat nothing here. We could even argue whether you could've already folded on the flop...

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I disagree. 10%PFR villain raised from the CO? He has any ace any king. Hero has not defined his hand at all. Calling from the small blind is a mistake. If you 3bet this preflop and then lead with the ace on the flop, it is a completely different hand.

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Fold. You beat nothing here. We could even argue whether you could've already folded on the flop...

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I disagree. 10%PFR villain raised from the CO? He has any ace any king. Hero has not defined his hand at all. Calling from the small blind is a mistake. If you 3bet this preflop and then lead with the ace on the flop, it is a completely different hand.

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I completey agree to that Mike Kelley! But I was referring to the hand as it was played, and as played, I don't see calling the turn bet and maybe even another big bet on the river.
But you're completely right that this hand should've been played differently, much more aggressive...

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If you 3bet this preflop and then lead with the ace on the flop, it is a completely different hand.

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I do see a lot more 3-betting PF at 400NL FR than 200NL FR. Therefore I know the 3-betting ranges much be wider. A good argument can be made for 3-betting here vs some opponents.

Generally, I'm usually not too keen to build a big pot PF OOP with AQo.

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Fold. You beat nothing here. We could even argue whether you could've already folded on the flop...

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I disagree. 10%PFR villain raised from the CO? He has any ace any king. Hero has not defined his hand at all. Calling from the small blind is a mistake. If you 3bet this preflop and then lead with the ace on the flop, it is a completely different hand.

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I completey agree to that Mike Kelley! But I was referring to the hand as it was played, and as played, I don't see calling the turn bet and maybe even another big bet on the river.
But you're completely right that this hand should've been played differently, much more aggressive...

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The only thing that beats us right now is AK and or a lucky Ax Kx combination that hit two pair, possibly a set I guess. I think the play is call.


donk the river or check/call whichever.

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AK, AA, KK, 77 beat us here, AQ for a tie, maybe even AQc with a nut flush draw. Villain is 13/10, I don't think he is firing a third barrel with hands like TT - QQ. Only hand we beat is AJ. I would not like to play for stacks here and that is what might very well happen with another PSB on the river...

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3 bet pre.

Turn is close but I'd fold vs most people.

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I like the smooth call in the SB vs a blind stealer. I personally like a check raise on the flop and a nice lead on the turn. You gotta take the lead at some point IMO. If he calls on the turn re-evaluate.

You probably have him beat.

He puts you on a flush draw I think and trying to get you to fold.

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I like the smooth call in the SB vs a blind stealer. I personally like a check raise on the flop and a nice lead on the turn. You gotta take the lead at some point IMO. If he calls on the turn re-evaluate.

You probably have him beat.

He puts you on a flush draw I think and trying to get you to fold.

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This is a good line. Resistance to this definitely tells us where we're at.

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I hate smooth calling in the worst position at the table. 3betting is better info I think, although after 3betting I'm getting all in when the ace hits.

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AK, AA, KK, 77 beat us here, AQ for a tie, maybe even AQc with a nut flush draw. Villain is 13/10, I don't think he is firing a third barrel with hands like TT - QQ. Only hand we beat is AJ. I would not like to play for stacks here and that is what might very well happen with another PSB on the river...

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Yes - and his stats suggest that he is TAP - this is not very passive after the flop which scares me.

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OP didn't say how many hands he had on villain.


He would need thousands for these numbers to mean much IMO.

14.42 WtSD%, 33.33% W$aSD

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I'm in the 3 bet PF camp.

We have an SPR of 7 on the flop which makes this hand sucky. I think given the way you played it, I'd turn this hand into a bluff on the flop. I think this is the cheapest way to get away from this hand if you have to. I'm thinking either donk the flop or c/r the flop. Either way accomplishes the same thing imo; however, the donk is cheaper. I think I lead for like 3/4 on the flop and I fold to any further action. This is about all I can think of here. I think this scenario shows why callig PF here kinda stinks.

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OP didn't say how many hands he had on villain.

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Meant to include this in the original post. I have 900 hands with villain.

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What throws me off a bit is the BB's call preflop. He did get 3:1. What hands would he enter with?

I would not give the CO raise much respect, but worry about BB. Once BB checked &amp; CO CB, I would be inclined to c/r and adjust based on their replies.

As played, OP left himself with a difficult decision. CO either has 2-pair (AK, A7, K7), a set of 7s, or air. He may semibluff a FD, but I doubt it.

With 900 hands, Villain should also know your VPIP/PFR/AF. He could easily have you tabbed as a FD, weak A, or a Mid PP. Some will take lines to build a big pot then steal with a huge bluff. If I have seen this line before from villain, along with believing he has put me on the above hands, I would think about pushing here. Without knowing if oppt is capable of playing that line, I'd be inclined to fold.

The hardest thing for me to do in Poker is trust my reads, especially in a big pot. It's one thing to come up with a hypothesis, but quite another to put $160 behind it.

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3 bet pre, blind caller makes this a good squeeze, as played there is fd on the flop, and i dont think u get pushed on by anything u beat, so i like check riase most of the time, and depending on opponent re-evaluate on the turn. I know this is a WA/WB situation, so check call seems ok, but its so hard to get value, and so hard to play oop its best to just put him to the test. Check raising hands like this, v v v good for meta game too. If called, id lead turn for 55-60 percent of pot most of the time, sometimes id check and if called im done with the hand

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Several people have suggested I should have 3-bet OOP PF. Let's play out the 3-bet scenario.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 8 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $360.80
BB: $931.20
UTG: $453.60
UTG+1: $406.00
MP1: $398.00
MP2: $532.80
CO: $411.70
BTN: $104.70

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8 Players)
4 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $16.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $48.00</font>, Let's assume BB folds and Villain calls the $32 here but that I would have folded to a reraise by Villain. Agree/Disagree?

Pre-flop pot size: $100
Hero's stack size is now: $312.8

With the 3-bet PF line I'm surely going to bet any flop, right? Let's say I bet 2/3 of the pot into Villain. Agree/Disagree?

Flop: ($100) Any Three Cards (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $67</font> leaving $245.8 behind. Villain ?

At this point I'm committed if I've got top pair or better. Otherwise I fold to a raise and shutdown after a call by Villain. Agree/Disagree?

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Several people have suggested I should have 3-bet OOP PF. Let's play out the 3-bet scenario.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 8 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $360.80
BB: $931.20
UTG: $453.60
UTG+1: $406.00
MP1: $398.00
MP2: $532.80
CO: $411.70
BTN: $104.70

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8 Players)
4 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $16.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $48.00</font>, Let's assume BB folds and Villain calls the $32 here but that I would have folded to a reraise by Villain. Agree/Disagree?

Pre-flop pot size: $100
Hero's stack size is now: $312.8

With the 3-bet PF line I'm surely going to bet any flop, right? Let's say I bet 2/3 of the pot into Villain. Agree/Disagree?

Flop: ($100) Any Three Cards (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $67</font> leaving $245.8 behind. Villain ?

At this point I'm committed if I've got top pair or better. Otherwise I fold to a raise and shutdown after a call by Villain. Agree/Disagree?

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c-betting frequencies after 3 betting is way more complicated than this imo...it's the one big hole I see time after time again (and it's one of my bigger holes imo)