Raise cap in NL?
 

2/5 NL game at Harrah's NO. Initial raise to $10 by EP, reraise to $20 by MP1, reraise to $30 by MP2. (I know these are stupid raises, but EP liked to minraise and a couple of guys started minreraising him a lot.)

MP2 now claims that the betting is capped by his 4 bet just like it would be in a LHE game, even though the hijack, cutoff, button, and both blinds haven't acted at all and all initial actors have had no option to raise his action.

MP2 gets denied by the table/dealer regarding his concept of the rules and turns down the option of a floor ruling, but continues to claim that that's the rule at Harrah's NO and that he's had floor rulings to that effect in the past.

Is there any licensed/tribal casino in the US that actually has this 4 bet rule for NL? My reading of the Harrah's NO rules indicates that in NL raises are unlimited, but I can see at least one recent floorperson screwing up the ruling.

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I have never seen a limit to the number of raises permissible in a PL/NL game. Some room somewhere having an excessively retarded rule like this would not surprise me though.

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Honestly this is just uninformed and inexperienced poker room managers. I've heard people claim this before but later take it back once they talk to someone in the know.

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I believe there is an exception to this in AC. Hopefully some AC people will chime in, but I am pretty sure by law NL is played by limit rules (# of raises etc).

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I think the Bike has/had the cap rule for tourneys. The "no limit" in no limit texas hold em means both the size of the bet and the amount of raises.

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I think the Bike has/had the cap rule for tourneys. The "no limit" in no limit texas hold em means both the size of the bet and the amount of raises.

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No, they are are familiar with poker at the Bike. Just as a note after the third or fourth raise all raises need to be at least 1/2 the pot.

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I think the Bike has/had the cap rule for tourneys. The "no limit" in no limit texas hold em means both the size of the bet and the amount of raises.

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They may have had the cap a long time ago (2003 maybe) but if they did it went away quickly.

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I think the Bike has/had the cap rule for tourneys. The "no limit" in no limit texas hold em means both the size of the bet and the amount of raises.

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They may have had the cap a long time ago (2003 maybe) but if they did it went away quickly.

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That would really suprise me. I know when I left there in 2002 they knew how NL worked. There were a couple of peopelthat thought half a bet should reopen action, but the people that needed to know knew how things should be.

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I think the Bike has/had the cap rule for tourneys. The "no limit" in no limit texas hold em means both the size of the bet and the amount of raises.

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No, they are are familiar with poker at the Bike. Just as a note after the third or fourth raise all raises need to be at least 1/2 the pot.

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In the old days who needed a cap? Pots were rarely multi-way and big raises (and certainly reraises) were the norm. Anything else would be viewed as extremely suspicious by the experienced player base.

But with the poker boom NL is a new game played by recreational players. Thus we need rules that are more appropriate.

IMO Hawaiian Gardens has the right idea. The minimum raise must be twice the total amount of the bets you are facing. Thus the minimum raise sequence is 1-2-4-8-16 as opposed to 1-2-3-4-5. Using their method there isn't any real need for a cap.

~ Rick

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In AC the rule varies by casino. In most places unlimited raises are allowed, but one time in Caesars there was multiway action on the river and after the third raise I was not allowed to raise all in. It's a ridiculous rule and defeats the whole idea of no limit.

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I have never seen a limit to the number of raises permissible in a PL/NL game. Some room somewhere having an excessively retarded rule like this would not surprise me though.

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It's a stupid rule, but I have seen it in 2 Vegas casinos lately. Both Cannery and Rampart use this insane 3 raise cap in NL games. Great for colluders IMO. And I found out that both rooms are being run by the same manager splitting the time between both.

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Bay 101 in San Jose has a cap in their spread limt games. Might be forced by the city and not by their choosing.

-Mike

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I haven't played there in a couple years, but Prairie Band in Topeka enforced the 4 bets rules in NL. Came up in a hand once in NL2/5 when someone bet 5, raised to 10, raised to 15, and the guy to my right said "I'm capping it" and put in 20, I call because I know I can't get raised, and sure enough the original better tries to raise. Nope... not allowed, said the floor. We had an entertaining discussion of the stategy involved in this. I LOVED that the rule was enforced in that case because I never coulda come in with the crappy draw I had knowing that one of those first 3 players was fully intending to slam a stack in if he got the chance. It absolutely changes the play in such circumstances.

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Honestly this is just uninformed and inexperienced poker room managers. I've heard people claim this before but later take it back once they talk to someone in the know.

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I believe there is an exception to this in AC. Hopefully some AC people will chime in, but I am pretty sure by law NL is played by limit rules (# of raises etc).

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That is not how it plays at either Taj or Borgata (the only places I have played big bet in AC). And I can recall multiple specific pots where there were a large number of small raises in a 3 or 4 handed street.

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Bay 101 in San Jose has a cap in their spread limt games. Might be forced by the city and not by their choosing.

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There should be a cap in a spread limit game. Or is this one of those bogus spread limits that is supposed to simulate No Limit?

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Bay 101 in San Jose has a cap in their spread limt games. Might be forced by the city and not by their choosing.

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There should be a cap in a spread limit game. Or is this one of those bogus spread limits that is supposed to simulate No Limit?

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Bay 101 in San Jose has a cap in their spread limt games. Might be forced by the city and not by their choosing.

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There should be a cap in a spread limit game. Or is this one of those bogus spread limits that is supposed to simulate No Limit?

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bogus spread limit

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There's a casino here that has a 3 raise cap and when I protested everyone looked at me like I had 2 heads.

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Yads, is that one of the ABS casinos? You may want to have them call the River Cree and get them to explain why they dropped the cap a few months ago.

For the first year they were open, River Cree had a 3 raise cap, claiming it was an AGLC regulation, but apparently enough people said WTF?, the manager finally asked AGLC directly, and it became uncapped a few months ago.

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Yep it's Casino Calgary, that place is run by idiots.

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I just checked the AGLC casino terms and conditions and the only part I can find about the 3 raise cap seems to confirm it part 10.3.9 section e paragraph iv states that "only 3 raises shall be allowed per betting round unless only two players enter the final round, in which case the number of raises is unlimited;"

There does not seem to be any exception for no limit (or open limit as they call it.)