ADZ124/Empire2000 softplaying????
 

PokerStars Game #11998234406: Hold'em No Limit ($25/$50) - 2007/09/11 - 13:23:37 (ET)
Table 'Ausonia' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 4: tcob247 ($7146 in chips)
Seat 5: tsifknits ($5000 in chips)
Seat 7: Empire2000 ($5448 in chips)
Seat 8: ADZ124 ($4975 in chips)
tcob247: posts small blind $25
tsifknits: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Empire2000: raises $150 to $200
ADZ124: calls $200
tcob247: folds
tsifknits: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ah Js Kd]
Empire2000: checks
ADZ124: checks
*** TURN *** [Ah Js Kd] [8c]
Empire2000: bets $240
ADZ124: calls $240
*** RIVER *** [Ah Js Kd 8c] [7c]
Empire2000: bets $800
ADZ124: calls $800
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Empire2000: shows [Kh Jh] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
ADZ124: shows [Ad Ac] (three of a kind, Aces)
ADZ124 collected $2553 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2555 | Rake $2
Board [Ah Js Kd 8c 7c]
Seat 4: tcob247 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: tsifknits (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Empire2000 showed [Kh Jh] and lost with two pair, Kings and Jacks
Seat 8: ADZ124 (button) showed [Ad Ac] and won ($2553) with three of a kind, Aces

Re: ADZ124/Empire2000 softplaying????
 

No.

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it is weird..

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heh u suck at poker grimm k thx

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what do you care, you weren't even sitting out at that table for it to affect you...obv they wouldn't show you the disrespect to do it while you are sitting out at the table

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I saw ADZ stressing last week when he lost a QQ vs AK flippy with empire2000, he started sayin somethin about how he was gonna play against him like everyone else from now on. This was a coupla hours before he lost his chat i think, and while he may have had his chatted banned for another reason, i would imagine Pokerstars will have seen this chat. While not everyone does it, it does make sense for the regulars to softplay sometimes, as they know their money is not made from the other regulars, but from the fish. There is a scene in Rounders (at the Taj..?) that reminds me of this...

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um this looks like very obvious softplaying to me

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heh u suck at poker grimm k thx

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do u not realize how bad this hand looks?

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ADZ obv put Em2 on a large suited single gapper.. There's no value in a raise against J9s, and there are only 2 combos of KJs vs 4 combos of QTs. This is pretty uNL stuff Grimmy.

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ADZ obv put Em2 on a large suited single gapper.. There's no value in a raise against J9s, and there are only 2 combos of KJs vs 4 combos of QTs. This is pretty uNL stuff Grimmy.

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in that more people collaborate at microstakes maybe

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ADZ obv put Em2 on a large suited single gapper.. There's no value in a raise against J9s, and there are only 2 combos of KJs vs 4 combos of QTs. This is pretty uNL stuff Grimmy.

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are u serious?

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ADZ obv put Em2 on a large suited single gapper.. There's no value in a raise against J9s, and there are only 2 combos of KJs vs 4 combos of QTs. This is pretty uNL stuff Grimmy.

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are u serious?

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Ansky, you tilt me so hard sometimes. Yes. Yes, I am serious. It is very clear from the opening line of "he put Em2 on a suited one gapper" that I am serious.

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Re: ADZ124/Empire2000 softplaying????
 

Minnessota...either u made a completely unfunny joke, or u are the worst poker hand analyzer alive. Also u had like 4 typos in your first post.


How is any of this Ansky's fault? U suck

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Minnesota's first post was really clearly a level attempt...pretty silly to think otherwise

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grim u sux at poker. and yes this is an obvious case of softplaying.

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But it was so completely completely unfunny and had typos in it that made it unclear what he was saying. He is still an idiot thats the point.


Anyways, Roman analyze the hand please, k thx

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But it was so completely completely unfunny and had typos in it that made it unclear what he was saying. He is still an idiot thats the point.


Anyways, Roman stop softplaying, k thx

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heh u suck at poker grimm k thx

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do u not realize how bad this hand looks?

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I dont...

PS: I just stacked grimmy weeeeeeeeee

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But it was so completely completely unfunny and had typos in it that made it unclear what he was saying. He is still an idiot thats the point.


Anyways, Roman stop softplaying, k thx

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Wow its like my post was completely ignored lol. I presume this is because i havent written 10K+ posts....

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I is clearly dumb. Pls to be showing the typos that "Minnessota" made?

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Spork I read your post and thought it was the best post in the thread so far by a mile. Both good information and unintentional comedy...brilliant

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btw to clarify, in a vaccuum, yes this hand can look suspicious, but there is no doubt i havent softplayed a single hand of poker in my life if uve seen me play a lot.

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Roman, I dont think anyone is questioning how u played the hand. Your line looks reasonable. People seem to be questioning ADZ's non river raise if nothing else.

I can actually see the argument that could be made not to raise the river (U wont pay off many worse hands, and ADZ will get stacked when beat but will only get an extra 1300 or so when ahead AND called).

It still seems like raising the river is right despite that argument, what do u think?

By the way I never play or watch these games so I have no opinion on the softplaying and I assume u are telling the truth, I am just kind of interested in the hand.

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cmon adz flatted, checked, flatted, flatted with the nuts. BS it isnt softplaying

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Roman, I dont think anyone is questioning how u played the hand. Your line looks reasonable. People seem to be questioning ADZ's non river raise if nothing else.

I can actually see the argument that could be made not to raise the river (U wont pay off many worse hands, and ADZ will get stacked when beat but will only get an extra 1300 or so when ahead AND called).

It still seems like raising the river is right despite that argument, what do u think?

By the way I never play or watch these games so I have no opinion on the softplaying and I assume u are telling the truth, I am just kind of interested in the hand.

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im obv not gonna post my thoughts about the hand on a public message board, but adz told me something exactly like that on MSN

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cmon adz flatted, checked, flatted, flatted with the nuts. BS it isnt softplaying

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Up until the river the hand can be easily rationalized, your post is kind of ridiculous. On the river he had the 3rd nuts, not the nuts...I do agree that a non-river raise there looks weird tho.

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Roman, I dont think anyone is questioning how u played the hand. Your line looks reasonable. People seem to be questioning ADZ's non river raise if nothing else.

I can actually see the argument that could be made not to raise the river (U wont pay off many worse hands, and ADZ will get stacked when beat but will only get an extra 1300 or so when ahead AND called).

It still seems like raising the river is right despite that argument, what do u think?

By the way I never play or watch these games so I have no opinion on the softplaying and I assume u are telling the truth, I am just kind of interested in the hand.

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im obv not gonna post my thoughts about the hand on a public message board, but adz told me something exactly like that on MSN

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lol...maybe you haven't softplayed before in your life but you definitely have soft posted. this is redic, i don't care how much of a nit empire is. there's hardly any reason not to play every street different. people felt almost any pair in these games and it's 6 handed.

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cmon adz flatted, checked, flatted, flatted with the nuts. BS it isnt softplaying

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Up until the river the hand can be easily rationalized, your post is kind of ridiculous. On the river he had the 3rd nuts, not the nuts...I do agree that a non-river raise there looks weird tho.

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there's absolutely no reason to use pot control when u have the nuts in an aggressive online game. Why did he call preflop if it wasn't with the intention of underrepping his hand and getting aggressive postflop?

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Meh, this doesn't look that suspicious, plus I'm not sure why they would softplay each other, if they wanted to work out some sort of collusion when they played together they are smart enough to realize there are better ways to do it than this (ie keep track of how much they lose to eachother on pokertracker and pay each other back at the end of the session).

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lol...maybe you haven't softplayed before in your life but you definitely have soft posted. this is redic, i don't care how much of a nit empire is. there's hardly any reason not to play every street different. people felt almost any pair in these games and it's 6 handed.

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LOL softpostaments nh

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Looks like grim finally got something right.

Good work, sir.

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i thought that Empire2000 = ChrisChun on FTP awhile ago

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Meh... The thing is I've seen Adz124 play some hands very weird before and I trust Roman wouldn't collude... I mean the thing is if they were colluding Adz could send him a message on aim and be like I have AA fold when I raise or something.

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Meh, this doesn't look that suspicious, plus I'm not sure why they would softplay each other, if they wanted to work out some sort of collusion when they played together they are smart enough to realize there are better ways to do it than this (ie keep track of how much they lose to eachother on pokertracker and pay each other back at the end of the session).

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Finally

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Roman, I dont think anyone is questioning how u played the hand. Your line looks reasonable. People seem to be questioning ADZ's non river raise if nothing else.

I can actually see the argument that could be made not to raise the river (U wont pay off many worse hands, and ADZ will get stacked when beat but will only get an extra 1300 or so when ahead AND called).

It still seems like raising the river is right despite that argument, what do u think?

By the way I never play or watch these games so I have no opinion on the softplaying and I assume u are telling the truth, I am just kind of interested in the hand.

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im obv not gonna post my thoughts about the hand on a public message board, but adz told me something exactly like that on MSN

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lol


i guess adz put him on quads

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i thought that Empire2000 = ChrisChun on FTP awhile ago

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I think Grim knows this, and also knows that ADZ has been playing nonstop on ChrisChun on FTP lately...therefore Grim is saying both of these guys are friends and prob softplaying...

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Roman, I dont think anyone is questioning how u played the hand. Your line looks reasonable. People seem to be questioning ADZ's non river raise if nothing else.

I can actually see the argument that could be made not to raise the river (U wont pay off many worse hands, and ADZ will get stacked when beat but will only get an extra 1300 or so when ahead AND called).

It still seems like raising the river is right despite that argument, what do u think?

By the way I never play or watch these games so I have no opinion on the softplaying and I assume u are telling the truth, I am just kind of interested in the hand.

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im obv not gonna post my thoughts about the hand on a public message board, but adz told me something exactly like that on MSN

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during the hand or afterwards?

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i thought that Empire2000 = ChrisChun on FTP awhile ago

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I think Grim knows this, and also knows that ADZ has been playing nonstop on ChrisChun on FTP lately...therefore Grim is saying both of these guys are friends and prob softplaying...

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fwiw, when watching a couple of deepstacked games at TS involving roman and ADZ, ADZ used a very similar really passive line with a set OOP. I guess either ADZ is softplaying (unlikely) or ADZ's entire metagame with Roman the last month has been playing ridiculously passive.

ADZ did stuff at TS like check bottom set three times OOP on a non threatening board (ie he improved to a boat when a flush came) in a multiway pot, and in a hand against Roman he just called from the BB with QQ, checkcalled on a AQx flop (roman having something like 87), and checking the turn and river both being blanks.

I mean, it's whatever, ADZ just appears to be a huge nit who incoporates that with a lot of trickyness.