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PLOlover 09-09-2007 12:06 PM

on caffeine (bad) and cayenne (good)
 
basically caffeine restricts your blood vessels and according to one book decreases bloodflow to your brain by 1/3.

I heard that cayenne pepper powder will increase blood flow and is good for you, so I went to the supermarket and got some in the mexican section in a little packet 1oz I think it was like 89cents.

based on a couple days of abstaining from caffeine and using some cayenne my observations are

a) after 2-3 day withdrawal (headache and stuff) from caffeine I feel better and more relaxed less stressed.

b) I think the cayenne does indeed work as advertised based on my personal experiences which we don't need to get into (basically erections lol), it's supposed to really be good for blood vessels and heart and stuff.

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just posted because it's weird sometimes you don't realize how insidious caffeine is, it's in a lot of stuff, and as I went through withdrawals I must have been addicted.

Blarg 09-09-2007 01:45 PM

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Supposedly people who drink coffee are 40% less likely to get cirrhosis of the liver, as well as less likely to get some other liver problems.

I used to think caffeine was basically evil, and I still think it's a drug and should be given respect accordingly when you consume it, but I've read enough positive speculations over the years that I've changed my mind.

Re: cayenne and chili peppers, they are supposedly great for you, but I wonder if more than a tiny percentage of people get anywhere near enough to make a difference. For instance, I think I read that chili peppers have even more vitamin C than oranges, but who is going to eat a chili pepper the size of a baseball, or enough smaller ones to simulate that size, to get that huge vitamin C benefit? I love spicy food, but by weight, I can't go through too many. What's the effective "dose" of cayenne or chili peppers per day to make any difference to someone's health?

Also, how fresh does it have to be? I'm sure plenty of cayenne powder sits around for years.

cbloom 09-09-2007 02:48 PM

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How do you eat a teaspoon of cayenne without burning your mouth to all hell ?


Caffeine is widely regarded by doctors as by the most effective/beneficial/safest sports performance enhancer. (for something you take right before, not as a program leading up to an event)

SNOWBALL 09-09-2007 04:21 PM

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where did you get this info about restricting bloodflow to the brain? If it's true then I should probably abstain before playing poker.

Snafu'd 09-09-2007 04:38 PM

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Also, how fresh does it have to be? I'm sure plenty of cayenne powder sits around for years.

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It seems I remember Alton Brown saying that you should clean out your spice cabinet every 8 months to a year. I know I've had spices sit around for much longer than that though.

TimM 09-09-2007 05:33 PM

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I just bought some cayenne powder to put in my chili. The expiration date is in 2014.

Also restricting bloodflow to your brain by 1/3 sounds like it would just kill you.

AZK 09-09-2007 06:56 PM

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I have yet to come across literature that will stop me from drinking my double espresso every day. If you can find something for me, I'd very much appreciate it.

Victor 09-09-2007 07:58 PM

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i drink about 8oz of coffee a day. will i die?

longbody 09-09-2007 08:43 PM

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Mary Enig writes like caffeine is the devil in her book Nourishing Traditions. All I know is that anything that gives me the [censored] like caffeine does can't be good for you.

BTW, Enig is (was maybe) the U of Maryland lipid biochemist who has fought for years and years to convince people that trans fats are bad.

http://www.enig.com/trans.html

edfurlong 09-09-2007 11:10 PM

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All I know is that anything that gives me the [censored] like caffeine does can't be good for you.


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Probably my favorite thing about morning coffee.

PLOlover 09-09-2007 11:54 PM

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where did you get this info about restricting bloodflow to the brain? If it's true then I should probably abstain before playing poker.

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"caffeine blues" book
http://www.amazon.com/Caffeine-Blues.../dp/0446673919

review of book in june 2007 section
http://georgegordon.org/Radio_Archives.htm#Archives

here's some links I googled on bloodflow

http://www.iflyamerica.org/caffeine.asp
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High doses of caffeine also restrict blood flow to the brain. The result: less oxygen to fuel those all-important mental tasks that keep us moving safely through the air. Even just two cups of coffee can reduce the blood flow by 15 to 20 percent, according to David Kerr, MD, who has studied the issue for the British military.

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http://www.adastreet.com.au/content/cms/CAFFEINE/2015/
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Caffeine can restrict blood flow to the heart muscle by up to 39% during exercise. This can cause tissue scarring which is a major cause of heart attack.

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http://www.sportsgeezer.com/sportsge..._before_e.html
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The story reports that both groups repeated the test after ingesting 200 milligrams of caffeine -- the amount contained in two cups of coffee. Researchers found that the caffeine did not affect heart blood flow when the participants were inactive, but did so for those who had exercised. Heart blood flow was 22 percent lower in those who exercised in normal air pressure and 39 percent lower in those who exercised in the high-altitude chamber.

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as far as cayenne, it's not really that hot and I'm a white guy. also freshness just buy in packet at mexican store or section of grocery, very probably that is *not* irradiated, unlike a lot of spices in bottles which are imported and irradiated as a matter of course.

AZK 09-10-2007 12:54 AM

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Mary Enig writes like caffeine is the devil in her book Nourishing Traditions. All I know is that anything that gives me the [censored] like caffeine does can't be good for you.

BTW, Enig is (was maybe) the U of Maryland lipid biochemist who has fought for years and years to convince people that trans fats are bad.

http://www.enig.com/trans.html

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muh. phd in nutrition science. WTF does that even mean. Give me a biochemist, molecular biologist, something... hell even an MD with some research...

AZK 09-10-2007 12:55 AM

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get me an article from here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

Jeff W 09-10-2007 04:21 AM

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i drink about 8oz of coffee a day. will i die?

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Yes.

Neko 09-10-2007 12:41 PM

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i drink about 8oz of coffee a day. will i die?

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drink more coffee

Blarg 09-10-2007 12:58 PM

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i drink about 8oz of coffee a day. will i die?

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Yes.

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It might take you 50 or more years, but our best evidence so far strongly points to your death being inevitable.

Blarg 09-10-2007 12:59 PM

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All I know is that anything that gives me the [censored] like caffeine does can't be good for you.


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Probably my favorite thing about morning coffee.

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Ditto. I'll be keeping my stool around till I have grandkids if I don't drink coffee.

longbody 09-10-2007 06:00 PM

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She is a lipid biochemist and a nutritionist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enig

You can email her if you want a point in the right direction for articles on pubmed. These people are usually very helpful. I know I'm not going to look.

PLOlover 09-10-2007 06:18 PM

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She is a lipid biochemist and a nutritionist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enig

You can email her if you want a point in the right direction for articles on pubmed. These people are usually very helpful. I know I'm not going to look.

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i think the book caffeine blues has 400 references or something to scientific stuff.

shemp 09-10-2007 07:13 PM

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Here's a quote from that long, but imo worthwhile, Michael Pollan article that I've pimped three times now:

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But if nutritionism leads to a kind of false consciousness in the mind of the eater, the ideology can just as easily mislead the scientist. Most nutritional science involves studying one nutrient at a time, an approach that even nutritionists who do it will tell you is deeply flawed. ''The problem with nutrient-by-nutrient nutrition science,'' points out Marion Nestle, the New York University nutritionist, ''is that it takes the nutrient out of the context of food, the food out of the context of diet and the diet out of the context of lifestyle.''

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Blarg 09-10-2007 07:43 PM

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That's a very good quote.


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