200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

I am playing 20/13/2.4, Villain is a good Tag, haven't seen him out of line, he has 3 bet me 2 or 3 times in 2 hours.He's 24/17/3 in 135 hands.
Titan Poker 1.00/2.00, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

saw flop | [color=#C00000]saw showdown</font>

Button [color=#C00000]Villain ($303.50)</font>
SB GGSeals ($604.39)
BB ISLASCIES ($17.75)
UTG KILLIAN89 ($190.79)
UTG+1 [color=#C00000]Hero ($428.60)</font>
Hero has Jd Jc
Preflop: , 1 fold, Hero raises to 8.00, Villain raises to 28.00, 2 folds, Hero calls 20.00.

Flop (59.00) 5http://www.talking-poker.com/templat...ages/spade.gif 3http://www.talking-poker.com/templat...ages/spade.gif Jhttp://www.talking-poker.com/templat...ages/heart.gif
Hero checks, Villain checks.

Turn (59.00) Khttp://www.talking-poker.com/templat...ages/spade.gif
Hero bets 42.00, Villain moves all-in for 275.50
What's my action ?
Comments on preflop (fold , 4 bet ?) and flop (lead out ? ) appreciated

Re: 200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

Call.

Re: 200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

and what is his range you think ?

Re: 200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

AK most of the time, followed by AA/KK/AsQs.

Re: 200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

wtf at folding

Re: 200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

Insta-call

Re: 200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

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wtf at folding

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Re: 200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

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Insta-call

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Given the history.

Re: 200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

Ok for the turn call. How about other streets.

Re: 200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

looks fine, call.

Re: 200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

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Insta-call

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Given the history.

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What do you mean ?

Re: 200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

the other streets look fine, i'd 4bet preflop if he was more LAGGY.

Re: 200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

Easiest call ever. If he got the flush (with 78s or something like that, he probably b/c AsQs, AsJs on this flop), you have 10 outs.

AsKx is in his range at 60%, and AA/maybe KK/set slowplayed.

So :
- flush 20%,
- AsKx : 60%,
- Semi-bluff As or AIR : 10%,
- AA/KK/underset : 10%

Re: 200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

wtf fistpump twice on each hand

Re: 200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

I see no reason why a good Tag should push over your bet like that with a really strong hand because he has to take into consideration that you are just stabbing at the pot.

Re: 200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

insta snap call w/ double fist pump.

Re: 200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

Villain turned over As Qs for the nut flush. What do you think of his play ?

Re: 200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

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Villain turned over As Qs for the nut flush. What do you think of his play ?

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Lame.

Re: 200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

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Villain turned over As Qs for the nut flush. What do you think of his play ?

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A bit tricky. Depending how he feels about you it's not bad tho.

Re: 200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

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Villain turned over As Qs for the nut flush. What do you think of his play ?

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Lame.

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would you care to explain why? i think it's actually pretty good, no?

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lol.

I second that notion.

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Villain turned over As Qs for the nut flush. What do you think of his play ?

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I like his play if he knew you were a thinking player and aimed to represent a draw on the turn.

Re: 200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

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Villain turned over As Qs for the nut flush. What do you think of his play ?

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Lame.

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How would you have played it ?
Anyone folds JJ pf against this type of villain ?
Anyone leads flop for 45 ?

Re: 200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

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Villain turned over As Qs for the nut flush. What do you think of his play ?

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Lame.

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How would you have played it ?
Anyone folds JJ pf against this type of villain ?
Anyone leads flop for 45 ?

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No way I'm folding JJ pre to villain.
I would definitely have led 45-50 and hoped for a raise by QQ+. I like donking out when I catch a set in 3bet pots because when they have an overpair and raise you, you're secured to take their stack. Even if they call you, you're in good shape to take their stack on later streets because of the bloated pot.

Re: 200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

except you miss out on a potentially large CB from villain, and besides, villain's calling a flop C-R all the time with QQ+ on this drawy a board. however, if you're hoping to get a bluff push from AK, you're much better off betting something like $25 here. $45 is just terrible.

Re: 200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

bump for others and I'd like Imrahil thoughts on Villain's play and why he didn't like it, how he would have played it in Villain's shoes and in my shoes pf and on flop

Re: 200 NL : I have a set he shoves for 150 BBs in a 3 bet pot
 

I just bet flop as a default with no real reads. The problem being that taking a "free card" isn't all that great since if an A comes up and you get the monies in on the turn you're probably behind and sorta the same w/ a Q.