PS 50/50: When Only 1 Hand Beats You
 

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t150/t300
(Ante: t25)
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Kramer: t12807
UTG+1: t7085
MP1: t16275
MP2: t11380
MP3: t27112
CO: t17539
Button: t19318
SB: t15017
BB: t4050

Pre-flop: (9 players) Kramer is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Kramer raises to t800</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 raises to t3000</font>, 5 folds, Kramer calls t2200 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t4475)</font>.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t6675, 2 players)
Kramer checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t6675, 2 players)
Kramer checks, MP2 checks.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t6675, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Kramer bets t3885</font> (trying to get a call from an obvious AK), <font color="#cc0000">MP2 raises all-in t8355</font>, I only have 4470 left to call.

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Wow. I have lots to learn still. I play every street different.

I 3bet push preflop. If I called, I lead the flop. If I got to the turn this way, I bet the turn. If I got to the river this way, I check call the river to maximize value from an ace that bets behind, and minimize my risk of being check raised from the aces kings, or completely retardedly played boat.

4Card

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My way isn't definitely the right way. I don't love 4-bet pushing PF. I'd much rather call and crai on a friendly board (which was the plan). Normally, I definitely would bet the turn, but for some reason I decided to check it to disguise my hand. I thought it was rare for someone to check behind twice here, even with overs. On the river, as played, I REALLY don't like checking because I think we get AK to call and he very rarely has KK/AA here.

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I'd probably puke then call...because one of my many leaks is that I get stubborn with my reads...if I put him on ak then I stick with it even if a raise on the river surprises me like this.

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Yeah, it reeaally feels like he has AK or 88-TT here. That is a strange raise on the river, but I think you have to call and just laugh when he shows four jacks.

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I can understand just calling the re-raise PF but not betting the flop or turn is a disaster waiting to happen.

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I'm definitely not capable of waiting until the river to bet. After the CR plan on the flop didn't work, I'm betting the turn. Maybe a case of FPS for Kramer? I think you can buy a cream for that Cosmo.

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Only 1 hand? Are you sure about that?

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Only 1 hand? Are you sure about that?

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Name others.

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AA

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AA

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obviously that hand can beat QQ but AA/KK are discounted because somewhere those hands actually bet at the pot instead of just waiting for the river

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Why? The flop is fairly innocuous and AA/KK have shown so much strength preflop they are unlikely to get any action when they bet. Checking behind on the flop may induce Kramer to bet out on the turn, at which point AA/KK can shove. The 5h on the turn puts a flush draw out but the odds of Kramer having two hearts are fairly remote, there AA/KK can afford to give yet another free card. Given how Kramer is under-repping his hand, AA/KK have to think he is folding to a turn bet, and checking behind twice just reeks of weakness, so it's very hard for any semi-aggressive player not to at least stab at the river with ATC here.

Anyway, I'm not saying AA/KK are likely here, just possible. JJ isn't the only hand that villain can have.

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AA

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AA never plays this way. EVER.

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call a bitch

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Buy in? Reads?

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Buy-in was $50 as stated in the title. No significant reads.

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Why? The flop is fairly innocuous and AA/KK have shown so much strength preflop they are unlikely to get any action when they bet. Checking behind on the flop may induce Kramer to bet out on the turn, at which point AA/KK can shove. The 5h on the turn puts a flush draw out but the odds of Kramer having two hearts are fairly remote, there AA/KK can afford to give yet another free card. Given how Kramer is under-repping his hand, AA/KK have to think he is folding to a turn bet, and checking behind twice just reeks of weakness, so it's very hard for any semi-aggressive player not to at least stab at the river with ATC here.

Anyway, I'm not saying AA/KK are likely here, just possible. JJ isn't the only hand that villain can have.

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OK, so MAAAAAAYBE AA/KK play that way going to the river, buy you left out a huge piece of info when including AA/KK in his range... his river play. What I'm saying is, there's no way AA/KK play that way, and even if they do, they don't raise all-in on the river.

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FWIW, I agree I should be betting this turn just about everytime, but I guess his flop check froze me and I had this feeling I was beat. Once he checked behind on the turn though, I was pretty certain I was ahead and just needed to extract value from AK.

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I play it the same (although i bet turn sometimes) and SNAPCALL river

hes wayyy FOS

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FWIW, I agree I should be betting this turn just about everytime

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no!

checking the turn is more than fine

AA, KK, and JJ (which are a huge chunk of his range) all play preflop/flop like he did.

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I think you have almost 6k behind... which changes things in my mind.

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77 55

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no one plays 77/55 like that either.

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FWIW, I agree I should be betting this turn just about everytime

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no!

checking the turn is more than fine

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Sweet, I was starting to doubt myself. Feel better now.

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I think you have almost 6k behind... which changes things in my mind.

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You're technically right, but I had MP2 covered by about 1.5K, so I effectively had 4,470 behind... so that should really change your mind much.

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Results: Dude had JJ for quads. Please do not move thread to BBV.

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lol quadaments.

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[img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Well, that does make sense.

My question is: What other hands C/R AI in this spot?

Or maybe more practically, how many in here bluff-raise all-in with something as thin as AK, or maybe something like TT or 99, trying to force your passive opponent to fold?