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Sharagoz 09-08-2007 12:48 PM

NL50: Calling range vs unknown who pushes first hand
 
Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $32.95
BB: $56.65
UTG: $23.40
CO: $1.75
Hero (BTN): $54.55

Preflop: Hero is dealt X X (5 Players)
UTG calls $0.50, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, <font color="red">SB raises all-in to $32.95</font>

Here's what happened:
SB sat down one hand ago. Never played with him before.
The first hand he was BB and got a walk. Second hand I raise from BTN after UTG limps, SB insta shoves. NL50 players, what range do you call with here?

whyherro 09-08-2007 12:51 PM

Re: NL50: Calling range vs unknown who pushes first hand
 
on a friday night, 99+ AJ+

vixticator 09-08-2007 12:53 PM

Re: NL50: Calling range vs unknown who pushes first hand
 
I'd call with like A7s+, A9+, 66+, KJs+.

Peter Harris 09-08-2007 12:57 PM

Re: NL50: Calling range vs unknown who pushes first hand
 
utg folds i assume.

I call JJ+ AQs AKo.

monkeymaps 09-08-2007 01:03 PM

Re: NL50: Calling range vs unknown who pushes first hand
 
this is usually an ok hand when a see villans do this id call TT+ AQs+

Antinome 09-08-2007 01:05 PM

Re: NL50: Calling range vs unknown who pushes first hand
 
depends on his nick, avatar, and location. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

'FalconsFan' from Atlanta with a picture of a baby is getting called a lot looser than 'ivaluebetu' from Moscow with an avatar from 'A Clockwork Orange'.

monkeymaps 09-08-2007 01:08 PM

Re: NL50: Calling range vs unknown who pushes first hand
 
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depends on his nick, avatar, and location. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

'FalconsFan' from Atlanta with a picture of a baby is getting called a lot looser than 'ivaluebetu' from Moscow with an avatar from 'A Clockwork Orange'.

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people with babies as avatars put me on tilt. are there any winning players with baby avatars?
anyone with a pic of themselves in sunglasses trying to look tough on stars this is a faster than light speed call with any ace and prob all the way down to QJ+ lol

Sharagoz 09-08-2007 01:41 PM

Re: NL50: Calling range vs unknown who pushes first hand
 
"utg folds i assume"
Yeah, sorry I removed that. UTG adn BB folds, action back to me.

"depends on his nick, avatar, and location"
Hehe, the guy was from sweeden I think with default avatar. Nick = SvenAce1.

skibbel 09-08-2007 01:50 PM

Re: NL50: Calling range vs unknown who pushes first hand
 
TT+,AK
"I'd call with like A7s+, A9+, 66+, KJs+"
Spew.
99+,AQs,AK might also be ok, and maybe a bit looser, but not much more.....

cjp010 09-08-2007 01:58 PM

Re: NL50: Calling range vs unknown who pushes first hand
 
Its just one hand I think you can afford to let it go without QQ+ or AKs, but even there he could be taking into account hes new and making some insanely stupid move with AA or KK.

Nogatsira 09-08-2007 02:00 PM

Re: NL50: Calling range vs unknown who pushes first hand
 
It all really depends on how much you can handle the variance. Against this guy it might be profitable to call with 22+, T9o+ if he's shoving any hand.
Since its only the second time in 3 hands you shouldnt probably call that loose and narrow it down to 88+, QJ+.

I guess it really depends on how much variance you can handle

Henrix1970 09-08-2007 02:14 PM

Re: NL50: Calling range vs unknown who pushes first hand
 
TT+, AQs+, AKo should do fine here

The skandinavian guy might like Gus Hanson and missunderstood what "loose-agressiv" actually means. (no, there are no winningplayers with babyavatas)

skibbel 09-08-2007 03:07 PM

Re: NL50: Calling range vs unknown who pushes first hand
 
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88+, QJ+.


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QJ? Are u joking? Wtf fold that trash

TheRenaissance 09-08-2007 03:59 PM

Re: NL50: Calling range vs unknown who pushes first hand
 
You have no reason to assume villain is pushing any two.
I think one of the ranges below below are fairly safe against an unknown.
Basically you can pick your variance.

Note that when adjusting your range adding a pair (77) is better than adding two broadway cards (KQ), and of course the reverse is true - subtracting AJ is better than subtracting 88.

AK,AQ,AJ,88-AA 55.12%
10% 44.88%

Hand Pot equity
AK,AQ,TT-AA 59.96%
10% 40.04%

Sharagoz 09-08-2007 05:40 PM

Re: NL50: Calling range vs unknown who pushes first hand
 
Here's what happened:
I had JJ and folded. I have seen some 10-20 stacks sit down and do this with any two, but cant remember any 30+ do it. Thats what made the difference. I would have called QQ+,AK.

The guy played 20 more hands and left. He didnt do anything unusuall during the rest of his hands. Its likely he got AA/KK the first hand and figured I would think he was pushing any two, and call light.

If he had pushed the very next hand too my calling range would have been A8+,KQ, 66+.

sightless 09-08-2007 05:48 PM

Re: NL50: Calling range vs unknown who pushes first hand
 
ak+
qq+

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You have no reason to assume villain is pushing any two.


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is true IMO.
I mean if he like shoves 2 hands in a span of an orbit than I am calling him superlight

starkwired 09-08-2007 06:49 PM

Re: NL50: Calling range vs unknown who pushes first hand
 
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Here's what happened:
I had JJ and folded. I have seen some 10-20 stacks sit down and do this with any two, but cant remember any 30+ do it. Thats what made the difference. I would have called QQ+,AK.

The guy played 20 more hands and left. He didnt do anything unusuall during the rest of his hands. Its likely he got AA/KK the first hand and figured I would think he was pushing any two, and call light.

If he had pushed the very next hand too my calling range would have been A8+,KQ, 66+.

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I probably would have called the JJ and regretted it. Your logic sounds good and makes sense.


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