Draft of Florida Gaming Compact
 

This is one of the drafts of the gaming compact between the state of Florida and the Seminole Tribe.
http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/files...on_draft_i.pdf

According to the St Petersburg Time there are other drafts that allow or disallow certain games. This draft allows card games like blackjack but disallows craps and roulette.
http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2007/...mment-81982933

Anyway, I've read this draft but I can't determine if it allows for the higher poker limits.

Anyone else want to take a go at this document?

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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/sfl...act0908nbsep08,0,5968461.story
copy paste the whole thing.

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The word "poker" does not appear in this document.

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why are you so negative soulvamp? they mention poker in this article.
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/sep/08/...ews-nationworld

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"Must prohibit those under 21 from gambling" - If the Seminoles go to 21 and up this would be a big change as right now the gaming age is 18 both at the tracks and indian casinos.

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I hope it does. dont need those young punk internet kids playing in my games lol. although it doesnt really specify they might keep poker 18 and make it 21 for table games and slots.

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why are you so negative soulvamp? they mention poker in this article.
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/sep/08/...ews-nationworld

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WTF?? Why am I being negative when I say that the word "poker" does not appear in the document linked above? It's not an opinion, it's a fact.

But here is my opinion: I would not want to see the Seminoles be allowed to offer higher-stakes poker unless the parimutuels also are allowed to. I think it stinks that the Indians are given such a huge competitive advantage.

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But here is my opinion: I would not want to see the Seminoles be allowed to offer higher-stakes poker unless the parimutuels also are allowed to. I think it stinks that the Indians are given such a huge competitive advantage.

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They have a huge competitive advantage? Just imagine the advantage, if they would not have signed that pesky treaty with the U.S. Or, imagine that advantage if they had not had their lands stolen. Now that would be an unfair competitive advantage.

ThreeBeers

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WFLA TV ran a package (complete with Atlantic City B-roll) on the compact today, emphasizing the $50M upfront to the state, $100M annual guarantee, and projected $1B over 5 years the Seminoles are prepared to pay the state. Also, it featured Republican legislators objecting to balancing the budget on the backs of addicted gamblers, or something like that.

The September 11 deadline has seemed to shift to the end of the week, also.

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So that means today no buying in for $500 in the 2/5 game then in cypress creak or hollywood? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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So that means today no buying in for $500 in the 2/5 game then in cypress creak or hollywood? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I'm not there, so I can't tell you, but I would be stunned if the Seminoles reversed course on buy-ins today. There was a big article (front page) on the situation in the Tribune. I read the actual print of it, so I don't have a link.

Edit: That's the Tampa Tribune. There was nothing memorable about poker in the article.

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There was a big article (front page) on the situation in the Tribune. I read the actual print of it, so I don't have a link.


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Gambling Talks Face Legislative Hurdle (By JEROME R. STOCKFISCH The Tampa Tribune)

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Everyone should stop holding their breath. There has been no indication anywhere that high-stakes poker is even part of the discussion. That just seems to be wishful thinking on the part of some posters here. The only poker that I can see that is being mentioned is the casino table variety like 3-card Poker, Pai Gow, stuff like that.

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http://www.sptimes.com/2007/09/12/Op...t_is_a_b.shtml

f rubio. I really am not sure which i am rooting for. If Crist makes the compact and it gets past rubio then that means blackjack, baccarat, las vegas slots and most likely higher poker since will be class 3 games and they already have poker. If the compact doesnt go through then the department of interior comes in and not sure what they will let happen. I have seen somewhere that they will only give class 3 slots. that might not be true and they might give more types of gambling than crist would. My main concern is that the poker buy ins go up over $100 and be more like real poker. which will most certainly happen if these other class 3 games come in. so im not sure which way i want it to happen. any thoughts?

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http://www.tbo.com/news/politics/MGBUJU89H6F.html

Well, something is going to happen within a week...the Dept. of the Interior is going to see to that.

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My opinion is that the Seminoles read the Florida statute correctly in the first place. There is no limit on the buy in amount in the law, but because of the ongoing negotiations with the state, the Seminoles agreed to comply with the state's interpretation. I believe that if the negotiations with the state break down, the capped buy ins will disappear. If a compact is reached that doesn't address the poker buy in issue, I believe the capped buy ins will disappear. Finally, if no compact is reached and the DOI steps in, the capped buy ins will disappear.

What's really interesting is whether the DOI will allow other games. The IGRA says that Indian tribes can conduct whatever kind of gaming is allowed by the state in which they're located. Well, Florida now allows Class III gaming. Whether it's slots or craps, Class III is Class III.

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I like your opinion magicman. That sounds good. good news story here. look at the video section "move over vegas" is the title of the story.
http://www.wfla.com/

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yeah why go to vegas if u could go to florida.

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Can you imagine the Las Vegas Strip along Fort Lauderdale or North Miami beach?

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Magicmanu
Your opinion matches mine and is how the DOI has interpreted the law in the other states.

but one thing not mentioned in any of the other posts, while the state and local gov's have no power to stop the games if they are in the same class of gaming offered elsewhere in the state (IMO) they do have a bit of leverage. Mainly they do not have to supply power, sewer, road access etc. .. yeah its not likely, but possible as a barganing chip.

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Your opinion matches mine and is how the DOI has interpreted the law in the other states.

but one thing not mentioned in any of the other posts, while the state and local gov's have no power to stop the games if they are in the same class of gaming offered elsewhere in the state (IMO) they do have a bit of leverage. Mainly they do not have to supply power, sewer, road access etc. .. yeah its not likely, but possible as a barganing chip.

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I don't think FPL is going to turn away the business of 4 large hotels anytime soon.

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SOULVAMP and everyone who is so sure that there is no mention or PROOF that Poker is even being disscussed as part of the COMPACT!!!

Here is irrefutable PROOF that it is!

While the issue of changes to what's curently permitted reguarding Poker has not been finalized it is being addressed.

The Draft "DEFINATLY DOES" contain a Paragraph L.
"L. [POSSIBLE PROVISION TO BE ADDED WITH RESPECT TO POKER OPERATIONS.]"

The issue has not been finalized but the negotiations as backed by the articles already listed by others with information from those directly involved suggest the issue of raising the stakes for Poker is being addressed.

So you are wrong about "no mention" of Poker in the Compact!

There is no guarentee that in the FINAL DRAFT, Paragraph L., will allow any changes to the current POKER Rules which are now the same as the Parimutuals, or give the Indian Casinos FULL control of what POKER games and stakes they will spread, but it is clear that it is being negotiated.

Hope this settles the argument!

In addition we should all HOPE that the Indian Casinos do get to spread whatever Poker Games they want....because the best and easiest (and best for us) way to solve the unfair advantage the Indian casinos whould get over the Parimutal card rooms would then be....to allow the Parimutals to run whatever Poker games and limits the Indians are allowed.

Is there any doubt that the lobbyists and the lawyers representing the Parimutal's will make that argument should the Indian casinos be allowed other then the current Poker rules?

LINK to the Actual Draft of the COMPACT.(Adobe Acrobat or other PDF reader required)

http://media.miamiherald.com/smedia/...filiate.56.pdf