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7 cbet decisions: yes or no on each/comments.

Rather than giving a separate read on each villain, just assume unknowns or standard 15/12 to 28/24 type villains - in other words, no maniacs, geniuses or droolers. Obviously specific reads matter in real-time, but here I think concentrating on the "pure" decision re: value, flop texture, stack-sizes, FToP, position etc. is more the issue.

All 50NL. Players seeing flop in bold.

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Hand 1

Button ($83.88)
SB ($34.28)
BB ($82.00)
UTG ($29.50)
MP Hero ($49.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
1 fold, Hero raises to $2.00, Button calls $2.00, 1 fold, BB calls $1.50.

Flop (6.25) J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
BB checks, Hero...

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Hand 2

Button ($44.75)
SB ($48.75)
BB ($47.75)
UTG Hero ($71.20)
MP ($59.95)
CO ($59.00)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero raises to $2.00, 1 fold, CO calls $2.00, 3 folds.

Flop (4.75) T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero...

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Hand 3

Button ($32.45)
SB ($25.75)
BB ($139.72)
UTG ($87.70)
MP Hero ($50.65)
CO ($44.12)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
1 fold, Hero raises to $2.00, 1 fold, Button calls $2.00, 2 folds.

Flop (4.75) 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero...

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Hand 4

Button ($37.40)
SB ($103.10)
BB ($49.60)
UTG ($46.15)
MP ($80.52)
CO Hero ($51.30)

Preflop: Hero is in the CO with K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.50, 1 fold, SB calls $2.25, 1 fold, UTG calls $2.00.

Flop (8.00) 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero...

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Hand 5

Button Hero ($46.50)
SB ($59.75)
BB ($65.85)
UTG ($59.65)
MP ($53.00)

Preflop: Hero is on the Button with 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, Hero raises to $2.00, 1 fold, BB calls $1.50.

Flop (4.25) 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
BB checks, Hero...

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Hand 6

Button ($53.15)
SB Hero ($48.48)
BB ($50.00)
UTG ($34.12)
MP ($37.69)
CO ($57.54)

Preflop: Hero is in the SB with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $3.25, 1 fold, Button calls $3.25.

Flop (12.25) J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero...

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Hand 7

Button ($48.75)
SB ($62.75)
BB ($25.20)
UTG ($64.40)
MP Hero ($82.27)
CO ($53.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.50, 2 folds, SB calls $2.25, 1 fold, UTG calls $2.00.

Flop (8.00) 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero...

1. no
2. yes
3. sometimes (75 yes/25 no)
4. yes
5. yes
6. no
7. usually

Quick look:
1. No
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. No
7. Yes

These are obviously not set based on each player for example you have UTG limping alot in these hands.

no
yes
yes
yes
no
no
no

1) no
2) no
3) yes
4) yes
5) no
6) no
7) no

1.) Check; coordinated board 3way. don't have position on both opponents either

2.) Bet; Headsup pot - I always c-bet headsup pot and this flop seems pretty neutral

3.) Bet; Headsup pot - I always c-bet headsup pot. This flop however could be better but I'm still c-betting.

4.) Bet; Would be better were it rainbow. However, there's one broadway and it's not too drawy + there's a good chance UTG has a pocket pair lower than Q. Plus they both checked to you.

5.) Bet - headsup pot. With AA and KK I'm def. checking to try to induce him to put more in the pot later. I may try that with JJ and maybe even TT. I think 99 is startin to be a little small though.

6.) Check; 3way pot...very drawy flop and you're OOP

7.) Bet; you could still have the best hand here and there are some draws. If it were headsup I'd probably check behind with QQ and perhaps with JJ. However, here with JJ and 2 opponents gotta bet it.

I'll take a stab:

1) no
2) yes
3) yes
4) yes
5) yes
6) no
7) no

1. no 3 handed OOP drawy board
2. yes
3. yes
4. maybe most like no tho
5. seems like a board you get c/r a lot on but I still cbet for value.
6. no
7. either. I usually check behind here and look to gain value from other 1 pair hands on later streets. Or you can cbet and take down the pot/shut down if called.

1) cbet $5
2) cbet
3) depends a lot on opponent and your image
4) cbet
5) cbet
6) cbet
7) check

Hand 1: I don't love c-betting here. We'll get called by any decent club and have only four outs against any reasonable club-containing hand that would call.

Hand 2: I would bet here because I see a fold 95% of the time.

Hand 3: Easy c-bet spot.

Hand 4: Again, easy.

Hand 5: Of course here.

Hand 6: Wow, out of position, multi-way, with all kinds of draws. C-betting here would show incredible strength, so against a decent, observant table, sure, but... in uNL, no.

Hand 7: Absolutely.

No
Yes
Yes
Sometimes
No
No
Yes - I'm in position and there is a FD...worse hand will call. If I'm OOP...never.

hand #1 check
hand#2 cbet
hand#3 depends on the opponent and how I have been playing up to the point
hand#4 cBet most of the time
hand#5 cbet
hand#6 check
hand#7 cbet
make this a pole next time O_o

Here's how I see it

Hand 1 - no

pros: we have strong overcards

cons: two opponents make it more likely that at least one will call; likely flush draw or made flush that will get a call; we are OOP relative to button

cons outweigh pros

Hand 2 - yes

pros: strong overcards, hand is likely best at the moment; flop misses most broadway holdings; no flush draws

cons: possible straight draw for opponent; out of position; flop potentially hits opponent's range

pros outweigh cons

Hand 3 - Yes

pros: low flop likely misses opponent; we have strong overcards

cons: possible flush draw for opponent; we are oop

pros outweigh cons

Hand 4 - yes

pros: we have strong hand with good equity despite missing flop, we have position on both players, hand dominates other ace holdings that haven't paired

cons: multiple opponents, potential flush draws for opponent, opponent could be going for check raise with paired queen

pros outweigh cons

Hand 5 - yes

pros: paired boards good to bet as they are scary and unlikely to have hit opponent; QQ99 two pair is very strong hand with chance to improve to full house

cons: aggressive opponents might bluff raise representing a queen; decent opponent might not give you credit for anything either since you are unlikely to have a queen; possible flush draw for opponent

pros outweigh cons

Hand 6 - No

pros: two strong overcards

cons: we have no realistic draws, draws or made hands are very likely for one or more opponents (this flop hits a lot of hands hard), we are out of position

cons outweigh pros

Hand 7 - yes

pros: our hand is likely best at the moment, we are in position, hard for opponents to continue without a king, two undercards probably missed opponents

cons: king is in opponents' range, possible flush draw

pros outweigh cons

1) No - 3 way, there is a good chance someone with 1-high club is calling us down. C/F

2) Yes - it's a little dangerous, but I'm still c-betting this 90% of the time unless its against some calling station.

3) Yes - pretty standard here.

4) Yes - I don't see anyone checking AQ or KQ here, so I'm definitely C-betting this flop when it's checked to me.

5) Yes - this is a situation where we are WA/WB, so I'm going to C-bet and fold to any raise.

6) No - this is too coordinated and we are going to be playing the entire hand OOP. Easy check.

7) Yes - Again, I don't think these players check AK, KQ, KK very often here so I'm going to C-bet and probably fold to a raise.

1. No, not multiway
2. Yes, neutral for the most part, should induce a fold
3. Yes, no brainer
4. Yes, can't see why not
5. Yes, yes
6. No, too coordinated, OOP multiway, ect..
7. Yes, any non K/club draw villian should fold

1 ) bets
2 ) bets
3 ) bets
4 ) bets
5 ) bets (actually for value)
6 ) checks
7 ) bets

1) no- you get looked up by so many hands you rarely fold both out

2)yes, prob double barrel on K turn as well as A or Q

3) yes

4) prob betlike 60%/check and bet turn if it checks to you again 40%

5) yes always, this is a clear value bet b/c there are tons of draws and no one folds a PP to a c-bet on a paired board

6) god no

7) no, but im not giving up either, valuebetting turn if checked to and prob calling 1 bet from someone. betting isnt bad either though this one is v. close

I think I got about 3 yes, 3 no's, 1 mehhh maybe

GRUNCH

1. Bet more than half time, I check if first to act 3-handed here and middle is still not ideal but would bet last most of time. They need a high club or big Jack to call, I consider betting turn if HU after one call.

2. Bet. With a T92 rainbow flop is fairly safe, and head's up. Pretty much mandatory cbet.

3. Bet. Best flop yet, it's unlikely opponent will continue here and this is a good spot to double barrell.

4. Bet. Two people check to me on not very interesting board and I'll bet. Hand has decent showdown value as well.

5. Check. I want to showdown cheap here. Probably call a turn bet on most cards, it depends.

6. Check/fold

7. Check. Fold turn bets.

grunch:

I cbet 3 and 5, but I am momentarily implementing a low cbet freq style so it could be more once I have ironed out everything.

Grunching.

1. AQs on a J high monotone flop, two opponents.... no, but sometimes with a read this can be a good spot, either for value against a flush draw, or as a bluff that folds out non-club pairs. When I do bet it, I bet it close to pot.

2. AQo HU OOP on T high rainbow flop, sure, I'll take a stab. No issues getting away from it if he comes along. I'll be betting 2/3.

3. Same thing. I'll take a stab at it.

4. I'll take a free card vs. two opponents. too many 88 and 77 hands are coming along if I cbet.

5. Easy cbet. Paired board, I can get called by many worse hands. This is a bet for value.

6. Hahahahaha.... check.

7. This is a bet for value. 2/3 pot. I can get called by straight and flush draws as well as mid PPs.

1. No
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. No
7. Yes

I cbet them all [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]... 1&6 would be very opponent dependent

1) Yes, I usually overbet the pot on these 3 flush boards depending on the coordination of the cards.

2) Rarely

3) 60 yes 40 no, it looks like an obvious steal on these types of boards so sometimes I check

4) Yes

5) Yes

6) Hell no

7) Yes

Here's an aggregate of the opinions (20 posts as of now):

Hand 1 - No (~unanimous)

Hand 2 - Yes (~unanimous)

Hand 3 - Yes (big majority but a few people saying only cb sometimes/undecided)

Hand 4 - Yes (big majority but couple of dissenters/undecideds)

Hand 5 - Yes 12, No 6

Hand 6 - No (~unanimous)

Hand 7 - 50/50, Yes/No

So hands 5 and 7 contentious, the rest most agree on.

1) Check. HU, I don't mind continuing even on a monotone board, although not all the time, but not 3-way, and with poor position.

2) Bet. Likely missed villain. Most of the time he's ahead of us, we have 6 outs if called.

3) Bet. Maybe closer, but I think fold equity is high enough against an unknown.

4) Bet.

5) Bet. I think this is a good board for us, and we have a vulnerable hand. I'll give it a try to take it down now, and we can play more aggressively anyway with position.

6) Check. Terrible board for us and our outs are so tainted.

7) Bet. Likely we have the best hand.

1. N
2. Y
3. Y
4. Y
5. Y
6. N
7. Y

I had to think about hand 7 the most.

Yes/No

1. 25/75
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. No
7. Yes

1. no
2. yes
3. yes
4. no
5. yes
6. no
7. no