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It would make me watch all sorts of sports. The athletes would be bigger, faster, stronger, insaner, and beat up each other so much and would make it awesome.

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It would make me watch all sorts of sports. The athletes would be bigger, faster, stronger, insaner, and beat up each other so much and would make it awesome.

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So basically you mean you like things the way they are now?

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So what about the athletes that don't use drugs, they are at a disadvantage becasue they don't want to hurt their body long term? What about all the kids that would start doing steroids?
In attempt to be open minded about the situation, you are being very close minded and only focusing on one aspect

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So what about the athletes that don't use drugs, they are at a disadvantage becasue they don't want to hurt their body long term? What about all the kids that would start doing steroids?
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What about them? Too bad for them. There are lots of unpleasant things people are asked to do in order to make it at the highest level. If the risks behind taking steroids are worth the rewards, then do it. If they aren't, then don't. Pretty simple. You think someone is entitled to the millions of dollars that comes with being a top athlete without taking the risks? Football players give years of their lives (if not actual years, than certainly quality of life years) and we cheer. Apparently they think its worth it. If they don't, there are other careers.

I don't really know what to say about your "but what about kids who use steroids" comment. I suppose make them illegal for those who are under 18? If they are over 18, they aren't kids, and they are responsible for their own decisions and choices. I'm not interested in protecting people from making tough choices, or making them for them based on my preferences.

But the reason we hate steroids so much is because we have this cute, romantic ideal of what makes up "human achievement" and we somehow think steroids and HGH are so very different from insane workout programs and nutrition and training. They all alter body chemistry to achieve a certain result. People think steroids are taking the easy way, I guess, although if they are really so dangerous, it obviously isn't the "easy way." Whatever. I'd be fine with drugs being legalized or allowed in major sports. Let adults make their own choices, and we all get to watch and see what human beings can really do.

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I agree.

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Yeah, we probably don't want athletes to be role models anymore either.

You can't have every athlete taking them & then ban them from under 18 year olds. They're going to try to take them because they see athletes taking them. What happens if a kid is 18 in high school? Is he not supposed to be tested while the other kids are?

Then we have the college teams who will buy steroids for their players because they can afford while other teams can't afford it. Talk about making the playing level even more unfair.

Let's encourage our kids, college, and high school athletes to take steroids for most of their life so they can completely destroy their bodies down the road.

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Yeah, we probably don't want athletes to be role models anymore either.

You can't have every athlete taking them & then ban them from under 18 year olds. They're going to try to take them because they see athletes taking them. What happens if a kid is 18 in high school? Is he not supposed to be tested while the other kids are?

Then we have the college teams who will buy steroids for their players because they can afford while other teams can't afford it. Talk about making the playing level even more unfair.

Let's encourage our kids, college, and high school athletes to take steroids for most of their life so they can completely destroy their bodies down the road.

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I don't get it, 17 year olds can't buy alcohol right? Are you talking about some sort of SUPER laws that we actually can enforce, as opposed to just the regular laws? How do you propose stopping 17 year olds from taking steroids, since things like laws and testing apparently won't work?

And no, GOD no, athletes should not be role models. That is a horrible, horrible idea. But if you insist on it, then surely the one guy who makes an NFL team without steroids will be the greatest role model of all time, right? Talk about your Rudy! Whoo, how can we pass up a potential opportunity like that? LOL.

"What about the children!?!?" is one of the lamest arguments ever. The NFL isn't responsible, the MPAA isn't responsible, the RAA isn't responsible. I want to see my freak-hulks destroying the Green Bay Freak-hulks, so too bad for your kids.

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Then we have the college teams who will buy steroids for their players because they can afford while other teams can't afford it. Talk about making the playing level even more unfair.

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Are you joking? It can't get any more unfair. College football isn't about parity... that's why you see the easy schedules for the "best" teams. Blame the NCAA, not potential steroids.

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Then we have the college teams who will buy steroids for their players because they can afford while other teams can't afford it. Talk about making the playing level even more unfair.

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Are you joking? It can't get any more unfair. College football isn't about parity... that's why you see the easy schedules for the "best" teams. Blame the NCAA, not potential steroids.

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I recommend "1 5-star per team" rules, or maybe we start a college draft? USC gets the 117th pick, something like that? Parity is important, after all.

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Then we have the college teams who will buy steroids for their players because they can afford while other teams can't afford it. Talk about making the playing level even more unfair.

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Are you joking? It can't get any more unfair. College football isn't about parity... that's why you see the easy schedules for the "best" teams. Blame the NCAA, not potential steroids.

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No, I'm not joking. It can get more unfair, that's the point. It doesn't have to be about complete parity but potential steroids would increase parity even more. It depends on where you stand on parity in college football in general but 90% of things aren't controlled by the NCAA.

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Then we have the college teams who will buy steroids for their players because they can afford while other teams can't afford it. Talk about making the playing level even more unfair.

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Are you joking? It can't get any more unfair. College football isn't about parity... that's why you see the easy schedules for the "best" teams. Blame the NCAA, not potential steroids.

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No, I'm not joking. It can get more unfair, that's the point. It doesn't have to be about complete parity but potential steroids would increase parity even more. It depends on where you stand on parity in college football in general but 90% of things aren't controlled by the NCAA.

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I have never in my life met anyone who cares about parity in college football. Are you my first? Nice to meet you.

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Yeah, we probably don't want athletes to be role models anymore either.

You can't have every athlete taking them & then ban them from under 18 year olds. They're going to try to take them because they see athletes taking them. What happens if a kid is 18 in high school? Is he not supposed to be tested while the other kids are?

Then we have the college teams who will buy steroids for their players because they can afford while other teams can't afford it. Talk about making the playing level even more unfair.

Let's encourage our kids, college, and high school athletes to take steroids for most of their life so they can completely destroy their bodies down the road.

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I don't get it, 17 year olds can't buy alcohol right? Are you talking about some sort of SUPER laws that we actually can enforce, as opposed to just the regular laws? How do you propose stopping 17 year olds from taking steroids, since things like laws and testing apparently won't work?

And no, GOD no, athletes should not be role models. That is a horrible, horrible idea. But if you insist on it, then surely the one guy who makes an NFL team without steroids will be the greatest role model of all time, right? Talk about your Rudy! Whoo, how can we pass up a potential opportunity like that? LOL.

"What about the children!?!?" is one of the lamest arguments ever. The NFL isn't responsible, the MPAA isn't responsible, the RAA isn't responsible. I want to see my freak-hulks destroying the Green Bay Freak-hulks, so too bad for your kids.

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Did you even read what I wrote? You can't have a 17 year old tested and an 18 year old not tested. That's my point.

If you're just going to be completely sarcastic then don't even respond to my posts. Obviously, I do care about athletes being role models because athletes were mine growing up.

The organization doesn't have to be responsible for the children, I myself want to be responsible. Just because you are a good parent doesn't mean you are going to keep your high school child from taking steroids if he feels pressured by his peers/society. If you don't care yourself, that's fine, but I never said the organizations had to care about the children.

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Then we have the college teams who will buy steroids for their players because they can afford while other teams can't afford it. Talk about making the playing level even more unfair.

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Are you joking? It can't get any more unfair. College football isn't about parity... that's why you see the easy schedules for the "best" teams. Blame the NCAA, not potential steroids.

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No, I'm not joking. It can get more unfair, that's the point. It doesn't have to be about complete parity but potential steroids would increase parity even more. It depends on where you stand on parity in college football in general but 90% of things aren't controlled by the NCAA.

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I have never in my life met anyone who cares about parity in college football. Are you my first? Nice to meet you.

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I'm a Gator fan, I know what it's like to have the biggest and best. Battling other schools for the best drugs is not what I want as a Coach or administrator. That's the side I am coming from, I understand what you're saying but you don't have to come off all high & mighty because you think I am the only one in the world to have this opinion. I work with colleagues everyday who have similar/more drastic opinions.

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I don't care about parity in college football, but I don't really care about college football because there is no parity.

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Yeah, we probably don't want athletes to be role models anymore either.

You can't have every athlete taking them & then ban them from under 18 year olds. They're going to try to take them because they see athletes taking them. What happens if a kid is 18 in high school? Is he not supposed to be tested while the other kids are?

Then we have the college teams who will buy steroids for their players because they can afford while other teams can't afford it. Talk about making the playing level even more unfair.

Let's encourage our kids, college, and high school athletes to take steroids for most of their life so they can completely destroy their bodies down the road.

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I don't get it, 17 year olds can't buy alcohol right? Are you talking about some sort of SUPER laws that we actually can enforce, as opposed to just the regular laws? How do you propose stopping 17 year olds from taking steroids, since things like laws and testing apparently won't work?

And no, GOD no, athletes should not be role models. That is a horrible, horrible idea. But if you insist on it, then surely the one guy who makes an NFL team without steroids will be the greatest role model of all time, right? Talk about your Rudy! Whoo, how can we pass up a potential opportunity like that? LOL.

"What about the children!?!?" is one of the lamest arguments ever. The NFL isn't responsible, the MPAA isn't responsible, the RAA isn't responsible. I want to see my freak-hulks destroying the Green Bay Freak-hulks, so too bad for your kids.

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Did you even read what I wrote? You can't have a 17 year old tested and an 18 year old not tested. That's my point.

If you're just going to be completely sarcastic then don't even respond to my posts. Obviously, I do care about athletes being role models because athletes were mine growing up.

The organization doesn't have to be responsible for the children, I myself want to be responsible. Just because you are a good parent doesn't mean you are going to keep your high school child from taking steroids if he feels pressured by his peers/society. If you don't care yourself, that's fine, but I never said the organizations had to care about the children.

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Ok....then I have no idea what you are talking about. Test a 17 yo and not an 18 yo? Why? HS can ban whatever they want, we're talking about the NFL. You seem to just be making up some ridiculous irrelevant hypothetical that sounds scary.

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I don't care about parity in college football, but I don't really care about college football because there is no parity.

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Then we have the college teams who will buy steroids for their players because they can afford while other teams can't afford it. Talk about making the playing level even more unfair.

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Are you joking? It can't get any more unfair. College football isn't about parity... that's why you see the easy schedules for the "best" teams. Blame the NCAA, not potential steroids.

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No, I'm not joking. It can get more unfair, that's the point. It doesn't have to be about complete parity but potential steroids would increase parity even more. It depends on where you stand on parity in college football in general but 90% of things aren't controlled by the NCAA.

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I have never in my life met anyone who cares about parity in college football. Are you my first? Nice to meet you.

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I'm a Gator fan, I know what it's like to have the biggest and best. Battling other schools for the best drugs is not what I want as a Coach or administrator. That's the side I am coming from, I understand what you're saying but you don't have to come off all high & mighty because you think I am the only one in the world to have this opinion. I work with colleagues everyday who have similar/more drastic opinions.

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You think its somehow more noble to compete with them for biggest weight rooms, nicest facilities, and best under the table deals? I just don't get your point. Why are steroids somehow different?

Also, it is YOU who brought upt he parity issue, and now you are claiming that you don't care about parity. No one cares about parity, so the impact steroids would have on parity (your point) is a non-issue.

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Yeah, we probably don't want athletes to be role models anymore either.

You can't have every athlete taking them & then ban them from under 18 year olds. They're going to try to take them because they see athletes taking them. What happens if a kid is 18 in high school? Is he not supposed to be tested while the other kids are?

Then we have the college teams who will buy steroids for their players because they can afford while other teams can't afford it. Talk about making the playing level even more unfair.

Let's encourage our kids, college, and high school athletes to take steroids for most of their life so they can completely destroy their bodies down the road.

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I don't get it, 17 year olds can't buy alcohol right? Are you talking about some sort of SUPER laws that we actually can enforce, as opposed to just the regular laws? How do you propose stopping 17 year olds from taking steroids, since things like laws and testing apparently won't work?

And no, GOD no, athletes should not be role models. That is a horrible, horrible idea. But if you insist on it, then surely the one guy who makes an NFL team without steroids will be the greatest role model of all time, right? Talk about your Rudy! Whoo, how can we pass up a potential opportunity like that? LOL.

"What about the children!?!?" is one of the lamest arguments ever. The NFL isn't responsible, the MPAA isn't responsible, the RAA isn't responsible. I want to see my freak-hulks destroying the Green Bay Freak-hulks, so too bad for your kids.

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Did you even read what I wrote? You can't have a 17 year old tested and an 18 year old not tested. That's my point.

If you're just going to be completely sarcastic then don't even respond to my posts. Obviously, I do care about athletes being role models because athletes were mine growing up.

The organization doesn't have to be responsible for the children, I myself want to be responsible. Just because you are a good parent doesn't mean you are going to keep your high school child from taking steroids if he feels pressured by his peers/society. If you don't care yourself, that's fine, but I never said the organizations had to care about the children.

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Ok....then I have no idea what you are talking about. Test a 17 yo and not an 18 yo? Why? HS can ban whatever they want, we're talking about the NFL. You seem to just be making up some ridiculous irrelevant hypothetical that sounds scary.

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Actually no, if you implement it at the NFL level it's going to trickle down to the NCAA & then the HS level, just as drug testing has trickled down.

I'm saying you can't ban a particular age group from using steroids at the High School and College Levels because you would have some students falling under the ban & some not.

I'm not being overly serious about this, I was just trying to say you can't pick an age & then ban it.

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Then we have the college teams who will buy steroids for their players because they can afford while other teams can't afford it. Talk about making the playing level even more unfair.

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Are you joking? It can't get any more unfair. College football isn't about parity... that's why you see the easy schedules for the "best" teams. Blame the NCAA, not potential steroids.

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No, I'm not joking. It can get more unfair, that's the point. It doesn't have to be about complete parity but potential steroids would increase parity even more. It depends on where you stand on parity in college football in general but 90% of things aren't controlled by the NCAA.

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90% of the things aren't controlled by the NCAA? OMG REALLY?! That's why it's so uneven, LDO. If you want a fair playing field you need the NCAA to step in and regulate EVERYTHING. That's why I stated you should blame the NCAA.

Oh, and you're obviously the fan of the wrong league if you are the least bit concerned about parity. I suggest you start rooting for the Jags, Fins, or Bucs.

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Then we have the college teams who will buy steroids for their players because they can afford while other teams can't afford it. Talk about making the playing level even more unfair.

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Are you joking? It can't get any more unfair. College football isn't about parity... that's why you see the easy schedules for the "best" teams. Blame the NCAA, not potential steroids.

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No, I'm not joking. It can get more unfair, that's the point. It doesn't have to be about complete parity but potential steroids would increase parity even more. It depends on where you stand on parity in college football in general but 90% of things aren't controlled by the NCAA.

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90% of the things aren't controlled by the NCAA? OMG REALLY?! That's why it's so uneven, LDO. If you want a fair playing field you need the NCAA to step in and regulate EVERYTHING. That's why I stated you should blame the NCAA.

Oh, and you're obviously the fan of the wrong league if you are the least bit concerned about parity. I suggest you start rooting for the Jags, Fins, or Bucs.

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I'm not asking for a completely fair playing field, I never said I want complete parity. I said I wouldn't want a situation where teams/colleges have to compete for the best drugs as a Coach or an Administrator.

I do like the Sunday league & the Jaguars. Chill.

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Are you joking? It can't get any more unfair. College football isn't about parity... that's why you see the easy schedules for the "best" teams. Blame the NCAA, not potential steroids.

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No, I'm not joking. It can get more unfair, that's the point. It doesn't have to be about complete parity but potential steroids would increase parity even more. It depends on where you stand on parity in college football in general but 90% of things aren't controlled by the NCAA.

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90% of the things aren't controlled by the NCAA? OMG REALLY?! That's why it's so uneven, LDO. If you want a fair playing field you need the NCAA to step in and regulate EVERYTHING. That's why I stated you should blame the NCAA.

Oh, and you're obviously the fan of the wrong league if you are the least bit concerned about parity. I suggest you start rooting for the Jags, Fins, or Bucs.

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I'm not asking for a completely fair playing field, I never said I want complete parity. I said I wouldn't want a situation where teams/colleges have to compete for the best drugs as a Coach or an Administrator.

I do like the Sunday league & the Jaguars. Chill.

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And I asked you why not? They already compete for the best "a million other things which are just as stupid as drugs" and you apparently don't have a problem with that.

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Replace the word drugs with players....

What the hell is the difference? Seriously, the league CAN'T get any more uneven.... the top teams will still be the top teams. They will still schedule their seasons around home games and weak opponents. I don't really understand how you're saying "The level is OK right now.... but OMG if Team A blows out Team B by 7 more points a game, the world will explode!" Where are you coming up with the stop point? College football being considered as a league is a joke, whether they implement steroid usage or not won't change that.

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I think we need more parity in the NFL.

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Let the players vote on it. If more that 50% want it banned then ban it.

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From my perspective, there is a moral/ethical difference obviously. There are financial ramifications as well.
I'm not saying I don't get where you're coming from, I'm capable of thinking about it from a fan's point of view.

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Seriously, the league CAN'T get any more uneven.... the top teams will still be the top teams. They will still schedule their seasons around home games and weak opponents. I don't really understand how you're saying "The level is OK right now.... but OMG if Team A blows out Team B by 7 more points a game, the world will explode!" Where are you coming up with the stop point? College football being considered as a league is a joke, whether they implement steroid usage or not won't change that.

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Yeah, actually it can get a lot more uneven, there's plenty of open legislation involving recruiting/admittance/grades where they would differ from conference to conference and even from team to team within a conference.

It already sucks that there are different requirements. It could get worse.

There are open discussions about training regiments, budgeting for strength and conditioning, how much a team could spend on "legal" enhancement products and it could differ from each of the above.

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FWIW, I'm not saying I am against the NCAA leveling the playing field, I'm just discussing why you can't just do it under current circumstances with out moral and financial consequences, and even further lack of parity.

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Yeah, we probably don't want athletes to be role models anymore either.

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I got an idea, how about we expect the goddamn parents to step up and fill this role for once?

I expect Barry Bonds to hit curveballs, not raise my kids.

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I got an idea, how about we expect the goddamn parents to step up and fill this role for once?

I expect Barry Bonds to hit curveballs, not raise my kids.

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I think this is a great idea, but unfortunately not always possible. The world is such a sad place in that way.

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Tru,

I think it's fine if you want to say no because of morals.... but to argue that it will [censored] up the playing field is just plain silly.

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Let the players vote on it. If more that 50% want it banned then ban it.

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Actually, I think this is probably a really good idea. Its a lot better than just banning it or just allowing it. I'd still prefer "let people do whatever the [censored] they want" but this is a good compromise, IMO.

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I got an idea, how about we expect the goddamn parents to step up and fill this role for once?

I expect Barry Bonds to hit curveballs, not raise my kids.

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I think this is a great idea, but unfortunately not always possible. The world is such a sad place in that way.

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So now you agree its stupid to expect athletes to be role models, but since "the world is imperfect" you think its still ok to put the responsibility on them anyway? If the parents fail to do a good job, that sucks, and the kids are going to be hurt by it, but that STILL doesn't make it, in any way, the responsibility of the NFL to be role models. Their job is to sell tickets. Your argument seems to be "Yeah, of course you are right, but WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN!?!?" Its an appeal to emotion covering up a weak argument.

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It would make me watch all sorts of sports. The athletes would be bigger, faster, stronger, insaner, and beat up each other so much and would make it awesome.

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I play poker on uppers

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I got an idea, how about we expect the goddamn parents to step up and fill this role for once?

I expect Barry Bonds to hit curveballs, not raise my kids.

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I think this is a great idea, but unfortunately not always possible. The world is such a sad place in that way.

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So now you agree its stupid to expect athletes to be role models, but since "the world is imperfect" you think its still ok to put the responsibility on them anyway?

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No, I never said that. I just mean that it would be cool if kids could look up to an athlete as an additional role model. Plenty of kids have their parents & athletes as role models today.

I don't mean that it should be expected, parents should be there first and foremost but they aren't always, so it would be nice if there were some good athlete role models anyway, which there are. I'm not demanding it of them, though. I don't get why you are so serious about this. What's wrong with having an athlete as a role model. I don't want my athletes doing roids', I think I made this point enough.

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If the parents fail to do a good job, that sucks, and the kids are going to be hurt by it, but that STILL doesn't make it, in any way, the responsibility of the NFL to be role models. Their job is to sell tickets. Your argument seems to be "Yeah, of course you are right, but WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN!?!?" Its an appeal to emotion covering up a weak argument.

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Once again, I never said it was the organization's job to make their athletes a role model. I'd like athletes to be role models of their own choice.

I'm not trying to appeal to anyone's emotion but my own, I got you from the beginning that it doesn't matter to you.

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Actually, it's not. These things are being discussed by the SEC, NCAA, other conferences, ADs, etc, right now. Not the question of should we allow steroids but to what we should allow in terms of legal enhancement products.

Just because it won't make a drastic change, doesn't mean it won't matter some. It's an going discussion just like recruiting, finances, everything else. I never said there was a solution & I never even made it real clear where I stand on parity issues in college athletes, I'm just saying it DOES matter. As I said earlier, it's not just about the parity, there are financial, moral, parental, testing issues. Most people care about the well-being of the student-athletes and the colleges that support them, it's not all about what's on the field.

Also, if we allow steroids, should we force players to take steroids or kick them off the team(just asking....)?

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Also, if we allow steroids, should we force players to take steroids or kick them off the team(just asking....)?

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It's already been addressed, as the NCAA allows prescribed steroid use in athletics, and it is the decision of the student-athlete whether or not to refuse that course of treatment, and schools are advised not to hold the refusal against them.

Being you're a big Gator guy, Chris Leak comes to mind as being a recent recipient you may be familiar with during his time at Florida.

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at least we pay the steroid and other drug users a lot of money for ruining their bodies. Id be really pissed if they got paid all that money and got to retire and live comfortably. The players that dont use still make a lot of money relative to most americans even though they are at a disadvantage, supposivly

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one serious problem would be that legality of steroids would eventually lead to someone taking too much and seriously damaging themselves

also making it illegal under the age of 18, i mean seriously? do you think that would stop kids from taking it?

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Number of medical studies on the effects of long-term steroid use in healthy adult males: 0

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Also, if we allow steroids, should we force players to take steroids or kick them off the team(just asking....)?

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It's already been addressed, as the NCAA allows prescribed steroid use in athletics, and it is the decision of the student-athlete whether or not to refuse that course of treatment, and schools are advised not to hold the refusal against them.

Being you're a big Gator guy, Chris Leak comes to mind as being a recent recipient you may be familiar with during his time at Florida.

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I didn't ask that. I asked what we should do if steroids were allowed & teams all took them, but a given player didn't want to take them?