Borgata $750 - QQ on button vs. UTG 5.5x raise
 

Middle aged guy (50's, 60's) just got moved to table. 200/400/25. He raises to 2200 UTG, has 8500 behind. I have 27K, folded around to me with QQ on button. Your action?

Re: Borgata $750 - QQ on button vs. UTG 5.5x raise
 

I make it 10700

Re: Borgata $750 - QQ on button vs. UTG 5.5x raise
 

7775 to go

Re: Borgata $750 - QQ on button vs. UTG 5.5x raise
 

he's got something he doesn't want cracked such as JJ or KK or AK . or maybe he's scared of post-flop play in general? or he doesn't know how much to raise (roughly 5x BB + antes).
my best guess is he's a nit who doesn't want his KK sucked on by Ax.

if you re-raise you might as well put him all in b/c you're going to call if you go to 5k or 6k and he pushes. fold is bad. not enough odds to set mine. definite chance of something like JJ. if you push and lose your M is still pretty good - roughly 21.

cliff notes - PUSH

Re: Borgata $750 - QQ on button vs. UTG 5.5x raise
 

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Middle aged guy (50's, 60's) just got moved to table. 200/400/25. He raises to 2200 UTG, has 8500 behind. I have 27K, folded around to me with QQ on button. Your action?

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Who's in the blinds?

Re: Borgata $750 - QQ on button vs. UTG 5.5x raise
 

Can we make it like 6-7K and reevaluate if the blinds push?

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Reraise. This could be KK, but more likely TT/JJ/AK or slightly weaker hands.

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its likely a hand he is not comfortable playing postflop, but still a good hand. doubt its aa/kk, but some people will make a raise like this.

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Middle aged guy (50's, 60's) just got moved to table. 200/400/25. He raises to 2200 UTG, has 8500 behind. I have 27K, folded around to me with QQ on button. Your action?

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Who's in the blinds?

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1 random dude, other is Justin Pechie, who's around 30th in the CardPlayer POY rankings. No exaggeration, I think he's called at least 15 of my PF raises in a row. Very loose passive. SB 6K, Justin around 9K I think, I have everyone at the table covered by quite a bit.

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Can we make it like 6-7K and reevaluate if the blinds push?

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I was more thinking of calling and letting one of the blinds push. Doesn't seem likely given the read so as BB is loose passive, we're just raising here I think.

Re: Borgata $750 - QQ on button vs. UTG 5.5x raise
 

am i the only 1 thats simply shoving here

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am i the only 1 thats simply shoving here

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No, I'd shove too... Re-raising with like 40-50% of your stack screams monster.

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It doesn't make any difference really. When I say raise, I mean shove essentially. It's just presentational. He's never folding a better hand, we don't want him to fold JJ, it's not a disaster if he folds AK.

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all in. he is calling with his entire range, we are probably slightly ahead of his range. live players are awful and you will see TT and AA here equally from an old nit in my experience.

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put him in.

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Middle aged guy (50's, 60's) just got moved to table. 200/400/25. He raises to 2200 UTG, has 8500 behind. I have 27K, folded around to me with QQ on button. Your action?

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That's a weak raise. I think he has TT/99. If you just call, with Ace or King on the flop, action will be slowed down. I would move all-in representing AK.

Re: Borgata $750 - QQ on button vs. UTG 5.5x raise
 

Awesome, not one person who responded recommended what I did, which was flat call.

Here's why I did it, I'd love to get comments on my thought process. I think his range is JJ-99, AK, with a sprinkling of KK and a remote possibility of AA. I thought that the same type of person who raises 5.5x with JJ, TT or 99 would talk themselves into a fold if I raised, which is why I didn't want to raise. I figured this type of person would also not bet the flop if an A or K came, unless they hit the flop, so I could safely fold after the flop if an overcard came to my QQ and Villain bet. Because the blinds are short, I'm not worried about giving them odds to call, they just can't call here, and if they shove, I'd be thrilled to call.

End result: flop came A T 4, all clubs. Villain shoved. I did not have the Qc. As much as I tried to find a reason to call, I couldn't come up with one, so I folded.