plo $100 deep
 

sorry for not having a convertable hh. action/stacksizes should be close to correct, though.

i suck at deepstack play. comments welcome on all streets.

sb ($65)
hero is bb ($320) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
mp (60/20/1/50, was already deep when i joined the table, no further reads) ($270)

preflop
mp bets $4.5, some callers, i decide that i am oop and we both are deep so i just call (should have raised, right?)

5 to the flop ($20): 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

mp bets $10, sb calls, i call with my straightdraw. all others check/fold.

3 to the turn ($50): A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

sb bets $47 and is all-in
hero was just sandwiched, uses some foul language and does not know what to do.
the other deepstack is still left to act.

so what is my play here?

just curse some more and fold?
do i call hoping mp just comes along and re-evaluate river or fold to a rr?
what are better lines for the others streets?

Re: plo $100 deep
 

Call and hope he tries to isolate the SB. Folding is pretty bad given the action. SB is likely to either have something like aces up and the NFD or
TJQ and is trying to fold you both out on the turn. Folding would be yuck.

Re: plo $100 deep
 

Calling looks good.

Re: plo $100 deep
 

Eh, I would repot turn in an instant for a nice juicy sidepot against villain who, you hope, will miss his big draw.

Re: plo $100 deep
 

Call turn but you can happily raise flop something like 30% of the time IMO.

Re: plo $100 deep
 

Wazz, why not raise turn to get value from the big stack?

Re: plo $100 deep
 

In the event the SB has the straight already you don't want the other deep stack to be scared out by your raise. Calling here is the play and hoping the other deep stack calls to give you odds to hit. Also, If deep stack calls, I'd value bet non spades on the river.

Re: plo $100 deep
 

I'm in agreements with everyone that calling on the turn is probably the best play here given the action already.

However, I'm just curious why you wouldn't want to raise your hand preflop, is it 3 handed?

I would try to get some value into the pot before the flop comes out. The only problem is you are giving your hand a bit if you only re raise with Aces in this spot.

Just wanted to throw a twist out there.

Re: plo $100 deep
 

thanks all for the input so far.

hero calls, mp pots.

can i get away from my hand now?

@dshadow
re-raising preflop is surely an option, but i don't do it that often oop with aces. this way it makes flop play easier in a small pot and my hand is disguised when i hit.

Re: plo $100 deep
 

First of all could you clarify the flop action please, it's messed up - who bet the flop, I'm confused.

Secondly, what's to get away from? You have a big hand, and are only worried about your outs being in other people's hands. In any case, you always have outs and plenty of them, and are in fact often ahead of two drawing hands or undersets. Lump it in.

Re: plo $100 deep
 

flop action: checked to mp who bets $10, folded around to sb who calls, bb (hero) calls

and i am not only worried about my outs dead, i am also worried about a made straight

Re: plo $100 deep
 

I would be worried about having outs that are dead for you.

You really need to pair the board here, and its likely that your opponents have those cards in their hand. Your straight draw to the nuts is a 6 as a J will not give you the nuts.

I have a hard time not re raising before the flop with your hand especially shorthanded, its possible we could have limited the field.

Re: plo $100 deep
 

Well you can't be bothered about both, if you're not up against the made straight you're ahead.

MP does look like he has a straight here, but it's not certain. The way you've played the hand looks like the nut flush draw improving to aces up on the turn, so MP would be well within his rights to repot any hand that has that beat (read - sets) and if he thinks he has enough fold equity a few drawing hands as well. He has a straight plenty of the time but you have many outs against that and are ahead enough of the time to call.

Re jimm - I don't raise the turn because I want to keep worse hands in by flatting, and give MP a chance to try to isolate with a hand that's near drawing dead.

Re: plo $100 deep
 

looking at this i think the turn is a call of the SB push, and then call the big stack repot. it looks to me like SB has a bare straight and wanted to see a safe turn before comitting, and the big stack has 999 as he only bet 1/2 the pot on the flop and is now betting you off the hand as it looks like you have maybe a wrap or straight draw with spades.

the way you have played it certainly dosent look like you have any kind of straight or you would surely have raised the turn, so its fairly standard for him to repot with a wide range of hands so he can get HU with the SB with plenty of dead money in the pot

the more i look at this the more it looks like big stack has 9's or a heavy draw

Re: plo $100 deep
 

turn is close (not a fold obv but raise or call), I do not like going more on the flop.

Re: plo $100 deep
 

MP bet 1/2 pot on a pretty sketchy board with a shortstack in the mix. He most likely does not have 67. Stick it in.

Re: plo $100 deep
 

thanks again. looks like i played the hand okay afterall.

i really had a hard time to put mp on the straight (mostly because his flop play) and so i re-raised him (he had only ~$30 behind after his pot-bet) and all of us were all in. sb had the TJ-straightdraw and the k-high flushdraw. mp had the straight with 97.

river bricked.