200.6 They be donking the turn
 

Villain is 25/17/2, hasn't 3bet much at this table, no further reads (stats are mined).

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $271.70
BB: $211.90
UTG: $96.47
Hero (CO): $250.14
BTN: $88.68

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $9.00</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $7.00

Flop: ($19) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $16.00</font>, BB calls $16.00

Turn: ($51) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $35.00</font>

Q: Do I need any hand at all here to raise profitable?

Re: 200.6 They be donking the turn
 

i see a set almsot evry time a villain with solid stats like that takes this line

Re: 200.6 They be donking the turn
 

I actually think a call is more profitable because if he does infact have some weak pair or 56 you can bluff the river

Re: 200.6 They be donking the turn
 

i dunno, i dont think calling is the best play. if we think villain's range is mostly small pairs and straight draws we shold push now because he folds all those, and the times he does call with his set or TT or whatever we have at least 7 outs, often 9, and up to 12 outs.

but i my experience solid villains usually have a monster when they take this line, and i think folding &gt; shoving &gt; calling.
not too sure whats best between pushing and folding though... curious to see what other people's read on this situation is.

Re: 200.6 They be donking the turn
 

push uhuh?
fold here. youve 9outs

Re: 200.6 They be donking the turn
 

im not saying pushing is good. im just saying pushing is proabbly better than calling.

Re: 200.6 They be donking the turn
 

Wtf I played a hand today where I have 44 on EXACTLY the same board from the BB vs a preflop raise, this is scary.

Re: 200.6 They be donking the turn
 

LOL JAY IM POSTING IN THIS FORUM WHATCHU GON DO

Re: 200.6 They be donking the turn
 

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folding &gt; shoving &gt; calling

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people really fold this???

Re: 200.6 They be donking the turn
 

I don't like raising here. I'd prefer a call, his turn donk seems like strength to me.

Re: 200.6 They be donking the turn
 

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LOL JAY IM POSTING IN THIS FORUM WHATCHU GON DO

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THIS

Re: 200.6 They be donking the turn
 

I call here and evaluate the river. implied odds when you hit the clubs?

Re: 200.6 They be donking the turn
 

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I call here and evaluate the river. implied odds when you hit the clubs?

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thats the thing... do we really have implied odds that great? and are we bluffing every blank river thats checked to us?




on another note,
i thought the point of this thread was thaat OP wanted to know if we can profitably shove ANY 2 cards here? did i misread?

Re: 200.6 They be donking the turn
 

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Q: Do I need any hand at all here to raise profitable?

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I always knew I took villains line with sets for a reason.

Re: 200.6 They be donking the turn
 

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Q: Do I need any hand at all here to raise profitable?

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I always knew I took villains line with sets for a reason.

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exactly my point. like i said earlier i think this is almost always a monster from villain

Re: 200.6 They be donking the turn
 

if villain has a monster, how are the implied odds not good???

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if villain has a monster, how are the implied odds not good???

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you have 7 clean outs. and you have to call $35 with villain having 150 left. not sure how the math works out but doesnt seem so hot, especially if hero is stacking off on paired clubs, or losing another bet when an A hits.