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MyPTBB100isPOOP 09-04-2007 01:31 PM

1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
Brag: Expert bet sizing wins me pot with A high
Beat: May of had the best hand
Varience: I love noodles

$1/$2 Blinds - 3 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $246.25
BB: $379.65
BTN: $205.60

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $14.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $38.00</font>, BB calls $24.00

Flop: ($76) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $55.00</font>, BB calls $55.00

Turn: ($186) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $153.00</font>, BB calls $153.00

River: ($492) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $0.25</font>, BB folds

Pot Size: $492.25 ($1 Rake)

Belok 09-04-2007 01:32 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
he had JK/lower flush draw
u probably win if he calls

hra146 09-04-2007 01:32 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
worthy

ebepse 09-04-2007 01:34 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
56 spades

Triantafylidis 09-04-2007 01:35 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
I lol'ed at this post. Usually its the "he bets 55 i have 56 left and raise all in and he folds"
But this is really a good one. roflcopterz

whiffer1983 09-04-2007 01:35 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
why didnt u just shove the turn wtf?

Georgia Avenue 09-04-2007 01:35 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
You may of,
but you may not of.

Good bluff ido.

Conspire 09-04-2007 01:36 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
AK with the K of spades.

Imrahil 09-04-2007 01:40 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
[ QUOTE ]
why didnt u just shove the turn wtf?

[/ QUOTE ]

Saved a part of a bet for the river ldo

so sick bro 09-04-2007 01:43 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
[x]had the best hand

CybrPunk 09-04-2007 01:51 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
[ QUOTE ]
why didnt u just shove the turn wtf?

[/ QUOTE ]

Because it's infinitely better when villain misses and then folds. Matt Flynn explains this well in his new book but this hand does an incredible job of demonstrating how the concept applies in the real world.

dkgojackets 09-04-2007 01:52 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
[ QUOTE ]
why didnt u just shove the turn wtf?

[/ QUOTE ]

Then he couldnt bet the river ldo

MyPTBB100isPOOP 09-04-2007 01:52 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
i know BBV isnt for strategy, but a very reputable 2+2er suggests i check to induce a bluff.....yea/nea?

Bantam222 09-04-2007 01:58 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
you just cost yourself a quorter

MyPTBB100isPOOP 09-04-2007 08:05 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
shameless bump for the evening crew

el_dusto 09-04-2007 08:07 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
A+, would read again

JMX 09-04-2007 08:11 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
Would be nice if you can show just one card.

rothko 09-04-2007 08:12 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
way to pump up the rake, fish

lippy 09-04-2007 08:20 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
So good.

Abbaddabba 09-04-2007 08:39 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
A hand like this comes down to your supreme ability to not misclick versus his ability to not misclick. You have a hand where better hands always call if theyre thinking, so you need to exploit him in other ways.

If you're focussed on one table and had a very secure internet connection, i'd leave myself the extra quarter to bluff the river in case he's multi tabling and isnt paying close attention.

If you're on 6+ tables or you occasionally suffer from timeouts (and are out of disconnect protects), you should shove it in asap.

So glad that i play the minbet and dont have to deal with deep, sophisticated strategies like this.


Id you had 65s then you should leave yourself with that extra quarter for sure, in the rare event he has a shittier high card and doesnt want to embarass himself calling 8 high, or whatever.

hasugopher 09-04-2007 08:50 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
personally, I like it when they fold getting like 100:1 on the flop....



PokerStars Game #11789883635: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/08/31 - 08:26:12 (ET)
Table 'Kalliope III' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: rexfatai ($1403.05 in chips)
Seat 2: Lukieplaya ($1089.40 in chips)
Seat 3: geirto ($761 in chips)
Seat 4: Rockkyroad ($351 in chips)
Seat 5: Steelcase5 ($251.40 in chips)
Seat 6: epic06comp ($439 in chips)
rexfatai: posts small blind $3
Lukieplaya: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Lukieplaya [Ad Kd]
geirto: folds
Rockkyroad: folds
Steelcase5: raises $12 to $18
epic06comp: folds
rexfatai: folds
Lukieplaya: raises $36 to $54
Steelcase5: calls $36
*** FLOP *** [9c Jh 8d]
Lukieplaya: checks
Steelcase5: bets $192
Lukieplaya: raises $192 to $384
Steelcase5: folds
Lukieplaya collected $492 from pot
Lukieplaya: doesn't show hand

rakemeplz 09-04-2007 08:56 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
Give your fish opponent 25 cents and he will love you forever.

so sick bro 09-04-2007 08:59 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
[ QUOTE ]
personally, I like it when they fold getting like 100:1 on the flop....



PokerStars Game #11789883635: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2007/08/31 - 08:26:12 (ET)
Table 'Kalliope III' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: rexfatai ($1403.05 in chips)
Seat 2: Lukieplaya ($1089.40 in chips)
Seat 3: geirto ($761 in chips)
Seat 4: Rockkyroad ($351 in chips)
Seat 5: Steelcase5 ($251.40 in chips)
Seat 6: epic06comp ($439 in chips)
rexfatai: posts small blind $3
Lukieplaya: posts big blind $6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Lukieplaya [Ad Kd]
geirto: folds
Rockkyroad: folds
Steelcase5: raises $12 to $18
epic06comp: folds
rexfatai: folds
Lukieplaya: raises $36 to $54
Steelcase5: calls $36
*** FLOP *** [9c Jh 8d]
Lukieplaya: checks
Steelcase5: bets $192
Lukieplaya: raises $192 to $384
Steelcase5: folds
Lukieplaya collected $492 from pot
Lukieplaya: doesn't show hand

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how can you knock this guy here? You obviously had aces

hasugopher 09-04-2007 09:04 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
haha yeah me tricked him

Decks 09-04-2007 10:30 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
Looks like you lost out on that 25 cents. Until you learn to maximize your EV in situations like this you will never become a top player.

Warteen 09-04-2007 10:47 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
Villain folded to a push. I don't see what the big deal is.

hasugopher 09-04-2007 10:58 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
hyachachach

I'm walking into such an obvious level here, but he had $5.40 left...

my plan was to c/r allin on flop and the ol' 2x pot overbet leave yourself with 1bb behind just wasn't going to phase me.

b33nz 09-04-2007 11:00 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
folding any hand here is terrible just for the information value alone. and also so u dont look like a tard on a poker forum. thus this leads me to believe he prolly mis clicked.

ChuckyB 09-05-2007 02:47 AM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
This thread rules

TexRef 09-05-2007 03:44 AM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
Check-call his all-in bluff on the river for value

Heisenb3rg 09-05-2007 04:08 AM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
easy check to induce a .25c bluff obv

catcher193 09-05-2007 06:12 AM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
pretty easy C/C

coxquinn 09-05-2007 06:21 AM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
what kind of noodles? like pad thai?

Maple Leafs 09-05-2007 08:52 AM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
The key to poker is to put a man to a decision for all his chip.

PocketElevens 09-05-2007 09:07 AM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
[ QUOTE ]
why didnt u just shove the turn wtf?

[/ QUOTE ]

Can't you read? Its in the title of the thread why.

Hattifnatt 09-05-2007 09:15 AM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
[ QUOTE ]
Varience: I love noodles

[/ QUOTE ]
lol

skillgambler 09-05-2007 09:42 AM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
http://www.explosm.net/movies/124/

how much do you love noodles?

ryang 09-05-2007 10:43 AM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
fold pf, as played fold turn

MyPTBB100isPOOP 09-05-2007 02:43 PM

Re: 1968 to 1 (always leave yourself enough to run a river bluff)
 
[ QUOTE ]
fold pf, as played fold turn

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ummmm apparently you didnt see the part where he folded on the river.....if yoooou look at previous posts in this thread you will see it was for .25 cents.

P.s. villian ran his timer down to 2 seconds then folded.

PSS^^^^^^^ didnt actually run timer down, but woulda been a riot!


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