Drugs for tilt prevention
 

Is there any drugs or meds i can use to prevent tilt? My mood is really swingy. I've read "your worst poker enemy" and tried as hard as i could to follow its recommendations and to stay away from tilt but it's impossible. Am i doomed to be a failure in this life?

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weed

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weed

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obvsly ,
possible side effects : you will get extreme cravings for funions , you'll eventually go out ,buy a bag and completely forget about poker ...

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My mood is really swingy.

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I highly recommend seeking the assistance of a professional.

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As long as you keep wanting to achieve, you will fall short and suffer disappointment. You will tilt. Play your best and leave it at that. If you win, so what? If you lose, so what? There is a space beyond emotion and apathy called subtle feeling. This is where you create yourself beyond environmental stimulus-response mode.

The best drug really depends on your body chemistry and is anyone's guess. I suggest the book "The Mood Cure" which is a good place to start balancing your moods without prescriptions.

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nicotine ldo

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Ex-Lax

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Xanax or Valium would work but they both dull your mind. This would be fine if you were playing microstakes or live 1/2NL on autopilot but would suck if you actually had to think and keep track of your opponents.

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Ex-Lax

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[x] another not funny [x] post

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Serious reply... If you don't want to use pharmaceutical drugs like adderall, etc... or smoke pot, you should try herbal remedies.

Ginkgo
Ginseng
Fish Oil
Ginger
White Peony root (all other peony roots as well)
and many more...

I had a supplement that had all the ingredients above and more, with a little added alcohol (20-30%). IT WORKED GREAT!

Try it out... Also, research traditional chinese medicine, as it will explain how healing one area of the body, actually heals the other... For example, if you treat your liver for problems, it will actually heal your eyes for problems as well, etc etc...

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Thanks for all the replys.

What about antidepressants? I'm not chronically depressed or anything but my impulsivity makes me do dumb things and then i feel like commiting suicide for a day or two. Maybe what i really should do is just quit poker and anything else where my impulsivity can hurt me, but that would be really hard cause my life would be so boring.

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interesting. Exactly what effects did this have on you? I eat fish oil already and i have some idea about what the other things are as well. But i think those things are more for overall health e.t.c than keeping cool?

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and then i feel like commiting suicide for a day or two. Maybe what i really should do is just quit poker

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or anything but my impulsivity makes me do dumb things and then i feel like commiting suicide for a day or two. Maybe what i really should do is just quit poker and anything else where my impulsivity can hurt me, but that would be really hard cause my life would be so boring.

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I was going to suggest magic mushrooms or LSA, but after i read this I changed my mind. For anyone not having big mood swings/suicide thoughts, those are really good to level the head for a fresh start AFTER a day or two. Homegrown weed maybe to relax a bit but not modern street-weed for sure. Weed is not a good solution in long term, you need your brain to play poker.

Sounds like the main problem is mood swings. There are certainly good drugs for mood swings, some from pharmacy and stronger one's with a recipe. Consult doctor and whatever "mood swing" forums there must be available on the internet. It's hard to play good poker without good control of your feelings that's for sure.

Herbal remedies? I'm gettin curious myself.

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I was going to suggest magic mushrooms

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I love taking "trips" to the casino!

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Sounds like your problems go well beyond simple rushes of anger after losing a pot or motivational problems. I too was going to suggest weed, but I think what you really need is some therapy. Or, at least, a long break from poker. Or a better understanding of what the game is about.

Here's one thing that will help you immediately: becalmed skepticism. Let me explain. In January, I was pretty obsessive in my pursuit of being a winning player. I had already played for 1.5 years and was going nowhere fast. I managed to build my bankroll from $50 to a whopping $250, only to start playing 24s and NL50 on the side. I remember playing a $20 Omaha hi / PLHE tourney while playing NL25 omaha hi. In the omaha hi tourney, I hit top set of 9s on a 9 8 3 board, my opponent had a wrap straight, I got it in, he hit his straight. Meanwhile, in the cash game, I got it in preflop AA23 v. QQ94 v. KK54 and lost $50 in a massive pot. So, $75 down the tube. That's not a big loss, right? Felt like it, because I had my knees on the floor, whaling away about how my life was miserable and how nothing works out for me and how everything I do I manage to [censored] up. Also, 15 minutes later, I was opening up my first beer, relaxed in my bedroom, preparing to watch a movie and then go out to the bar.

So what happened? First, I don't think that any other aspect of my life sparked such a instantaneous rush of intense anger and depression immediately followed almost immediately by a more mellow wave of disappointment. I had a spark of melodrama, but in the end, I put having an unlucky beat into perspective pretty damn quickly. So, I knew poker was a game and that I loved the competition and it got me emotional because I was passionate about it. Also, I was pleased I didn't take the remaining $150 and put it into a 5/10 limit game, I like I used to. So, I was making progress!

At the same time, I realized that all that melodrama, no matter how fleeting, is just nonsense because it doesn't properly acknowledge the anchors that keep the game afloat -math, variance, chaos. Poker is a feral animal with fangs, and your task is to control it and make money out of it. Part of that control is not to get too excited about anything, win or lose, because the only thing that mattered is the decision you make to try to control things your way. I decided to go into every session with that in mind, and actually get on board the ship rather than try to kick it, jump on it, [censored] the captain's wife, etc. All metaphors aside, that means playing within my bankroll and stopping when I start to play badly. How do I know that I'm playing badly? When I'm raising UTG or UTG+1 in a six max game with K10o and I know I'm getting floated by the button every time, or that SB/BB is going to build large pots against me on every spot he gets. Or, in a tournament, where I say "WTF, I'm gonna call his push with AJo, because it's AJo." If you know the game, you know these decisions are wrong, and that's where you stop. Knowing when to stop a session is just as important as mastering the nuances of pokerstove. It's more important.

Honestly, the waters feel calmer now because, at least I'd like to think, that I've come to respect the game more. I'm not excited about it, I'm not angry about it, in fact, most of the time I'm skeptical about every situation I'm in. Skepticism itself is a drug and, believe me, it has seeped into other aspects of my life. That's one of the biggest dangers of being a poker player, IMO - all those other things you used to get irrationally excited about, you tend to treat as another situation where you may succeed or not. That's a tough place to be in, but it has its advantages too, unless you become so rigid or logical that life's simple pleasures aren't getting you excited anymore. Of course, if that's the case, chances are your problems go well beyond poker.

Anyway, there it is. My suggestion is to read a lot more about poker - not HOH, but about the nature of the game. If you are thinking poker as a rose pedaled hill toward financial prosperity, you will continue to tilt and have thoughts of suicide because your life will dwindle down to whether you are winning money or not. Sometimes you will, and life will be good, and sometimes you won't, and life will appear worthless because your bottomline is [censored]. If you think about poker as a game you play because a part of you enjoys making difficult decisions in volatile situations, then you may start thinking about life as a bunch of situations that you have to calmly solve through. That, in turn, SHOULD reduce your emotional variance or tilt.

Of course, that is just the poker side of things. You might have other problems. Also, I am by no means close to how I want my psychological leanings to be at the table. However, this realization has helped matters more than smoking a bowl.

Barry

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Have you tried H?

I find it relaxes me so

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lol

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Why not try sedatives, or alcohol in case it makes you numb. There's also some new medicine for addicts, including poker addicts, so they will not feel like being an addict (antioxidant, called N-asetyylikysteiini in Finnish, from Jon Grant in Minnesota university, psychiatry). Biological Psychiatry paper comes to mind though I know nothing about it. One could think the tilt problem could be similar to some other problems (like violence or similar) and that there's some medicine for it that some professional person might know, or lead you to it, though it all costs money before you get it but it's for life, though it might not help. One other advice I can give and that is the fact that poker tilting gets less with experience, and that might be all that you need.

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Speed. Seriously.

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after bad beat get hammered drunk, assuming you are done playing for the day

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coke + herrrrroin = speedball FTW!!! LDO

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Have you tried H?

I find it relaxes me so

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Yeah, but then in the morning, you have to do speederitas just to wake up.

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Try it out... Also, research traditional chinese medicine, as it will explain how healing one area of the body, actually heals the other... For example, if you treat your liver for problems, it will actually heal your eyes for problems as well, etc etc...


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western medicine > traditional chinese medicine

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Have you tried H?

I find it relaxes me so

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Try it out... Also, research traditional chinese medicine, as it will explain how healing one area of the body, actually heals the other... For example, if you treat your liver for problems, it will actually heal your eyes for problems as well, etc etc...


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western medicine > traditional chinese medicine

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yep....anyone talking traditional chinese medicine should research placebo effect

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i dont believe in substances that treat psychological problems. if the root of the problem is psychological, then the way to overcome it is psychological

but hey, some beer will either limber you up or make you go on crazy monkey tilt lol

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Mood swings and intermittent suidical impulses?

Lithium.

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Didn't try any drugs. Won $3500 the previous week, tilted it all away on monday. I'm a student living off $1200 a month. I hate myself.

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I would try some drugs then.

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Suck-out hard on someone. Insta Non-Tiltanol [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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I'm going to try kratom. Any opinions on that?

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uumm 1st find out why you have the tilt? Is it "just" with poker? does it happen with other things in life? Is it your mood? etc? It can be caused by a wide range of things from you just having immature emotional control (which you have to work on personal) to having high anxiety or being bipolar (which are both treated with medicine like xanax or lithium - and more effectively if it is coupled with therapy)

Figure out if its an all around life problem or just a poker focused ordeal...then go from there...

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why does everyone post [censored] in the thread? i always thought the psychology-forum is meant for serious answers?!?!

I dont have these immense tilt problems like op but id also be interested if someone made positive experiences with, lets say, substances. I am obv NOT looking for H or speed i highly doubt OP is looking for this.
but i am pretty sure there is some [censored] that is harmless and helps u being focused and/or calm/prevents u from tilting ....not???

so far i usually just drink some red bull, eat apples and some stuff with lots of dextrose... maybe its more a placebo lol but at least the red bull helps staying focused....
... tilting-problems will probably remain unsolved by this stuff. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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but i am pretty sure there is some [censored] that is harmless and helps u being focused and/or calm/prevents u from tilting ....not???

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Let's say there is a drug that improves cognitive function, attention, stamina, prevents tilt, is non-addictive and has no significant side effect. Say that you've found it and use it. Would you tell everyone else about it?

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why does everyone post [censored] in the thread? i always thought the psychology-forum is meant for serious answers?!?!

I dont have these immense tilt problems like op but id also be interested if someone made positive experiences with, lets say, substances. I am obv NOT looking for H or speed i highly doubt OP is looking for this.
but i am pretty sure there is some [censored] that is harmless and helps u being focused and/or calm/prevents u from tilting ....not???

so far i usually just drink some red bull, eat apples and some stuff with lots of dextrose... maybe its more a placebo lol but at least the red bull helps staying focused....
... tilting-problems will probably remain unsolved by this stuff. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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uumm how was what I said useless??

did u not read xanax?? jeez