$400NL. AQ flops TPTK facing donk bet.
 

Villain is 17/14/2.1. He is h_a_l_l_o for the regs on PP. We don't really have any history upto this point. Maybe a bit 3-betting and whatnot, but nothing serious that I can remember.

Party Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$2/$4 Blinds
6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $411.00
<u>BB: $448.56</u>
UTG: $425.00
<u>Hero (MP): $1,282.80</u>
CO: $410.30
BTN: $426.30

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $16.00</font>, 3 folds, BB calls $12.00

Flop: ($34) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $25.00</font>, Hero....?!?!!?

What is the best line to take from here? What is his range for donking here?

Re: $400NL. AQ flops TPTK facing donk bet.
 

call flop. his donking range should mostly be made up of hands hes going to bet/3bet on a flop like this.

Re: $400NL. AQ flops TPTK facing donk bet.
 

How often have you been 3-betting flops?

Re: $400NL. AQ flops TPTK facing donk bet.
 

really i think a raise is better here?

Re: $400NL. AQ flops TPTK facing donk bet.
 

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How often have you been 3-betting flops?

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What does that have to do with anything?!!?

Re: $400NL. AQ flops TPTK facing donk bet.
 

Anyone have any more thoughts on this? What is the best line to take on the flop here? Raise or call?

Re: $400NL. AQ flops TPTK facing donk bet.
 

I like a call.

Re: $400NL. AQ flops TPTK facing donk bet.
 

against a 17/14 i call b/c hes not getting it AI on this flop with worse. normally this is an autoraise/get allin for me though.

Re: $400NL. AQ flops TPTK facing donk bet.
 

Turn is Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Villain leads for $70. I?

What is his range here? What is the best line to take here?

Re: $400NL. AQ flops TPTK facing donk bet.
 

raise and dont fold. his range is draws, midpairs (JJ,TT, not gonna call a raise too often obv), sets, lower queens to some extent.

Re: $400NL. AQ flops TPTK facing donk bet.
 

i think his range here is something like KQ/AQ/55/66/good flush draw. if you raise his calling range is comprised of hands that beat/tie you and possibly KQ. i mean, he probably calls with kq. but he probably dumps kqo preflop so from a bayesian standpoint there are 6 hands that beat you, 9 you tie with, and 4 you beat. i think calling is better against that range, and depending on his river action there are various cards you might be able to bluff him off a tie with.

Re: $400NL. AQ flops TPTK facing donk bet.
 

he is NOT calling a raise with jj-tt, wtf. he's checking the turn with those a lot too.

Re: $400NL. AQ flops TPTK facing donk bet.
 

Call turn

Re: $400NL. AQ flops TPTK facing donk bet.
 

I would call flop/turn/river here given you don't hit a FH on river. I think raising on any street is kinda bad.

Re: $400NL. AQ flops TPTK facing donk bet.
 

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I would call flop/turn/river here given you don't hit a FH on river. I think raising on any street is kinda bad.

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what?? why?

Raise/call on the flop seems like a solid line. Far and away his most common hand will be a draw.

Re: $400NL. AQ flops TPTK facing donk bet.
 

Colombo,

You think his range is mostly comprised of draws here? You don't think he leads mid pairs, sets here? Why is that?

Re: $400NL. AQ flops TPTK facing donk bet.
 

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Colombo,

You think his range is mostly comprised of draws here? You don't think he leads mid pairs, sets here? Why is that?

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he might. I'm just speaking from experience.

Re: $400NL. AQ flops TPTK facing donk bet.
 

usually call on the flop. I expect his range to be weaker Q's, 99-77 kinda hands, maybe some draws.

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Turn is Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Villain leads for $70. I?


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Raise. If he has you beat so be it. This is about the best card you could hope for.

Re: $400NL. AQ flops TPTK facing donk bet.
 

How does this card change anything? If I was ahead before, I am still ahead now, right? If I was behind before, I'm still behind, right?

Re: $400NL. AQ flops TPTK facing donk bet.
 

If you raise a lot of donk leads then I'd raise/call the flop, assuming he is aware of this. This guy is super solid though, I'd just call flop. Turn is tricky, but we're not much more likely to be ahead on the turn than we were on the flop. I'd probably raise now since the board is getting pretty ugly and I'd bluff raise this card a decent amount as well.

Re: $400NL. AQ flops TPTK facing donk bet.
 

i like colombo's idea, maybe i'd raise flop and try to get it allin against axss, but bear in mind 17/14 is pretty nitty... stuff lke 9Tss probably isn't in his range, which is why i don't think it's as clear-cut as some are making it out to be. i do retract my comment about him not getting it in with worse though.

i really see no reason at ALL to raise the turn. just think about his current range + his calling range. stuff like "the board is getting ugly" or super-advanced metagame stuff against a guy who is a complete nit are nonsense to me. he's essentially set-mining so he obviously doesn't care about them, so why should you bother balancing your ranges against someone who doesn't balance his?

Re: $400NL. AQ flops TPTK facing donk bet.
 

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How does this card change anything? If I was ahead before, I am still ahead now, right? If I was behind before, I'm still behind, right?

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The difference is that if he has a draw, his equity has dramatically changed. If our reason for not raising this turn is out of fear of being behind, we shouldn't even be calling in the first place. stick ur neck out.

Re: $400NL. AQ flops TPTK facing donk bet.
 

i call turn vs him, raise v lots of others.

Re: $400NL. AQ flops TPTK facing donk bet.
 

Unfamiliar with the villain but I think a flop raise is pretty bad; with his stats I'd expect to see strong draws and sets.

I'm torn on the turn, although your equity improved a lot against much of his range (not because of the Q, but because it didn't make his draws), raising pretty much lets him play perfectly, shoving boats and folding draws.