sharkscope
 

worth the purchase?

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meh, you really need to provide more information about number of tables, buy-ins, how much you are playing and so forth.
But in general, no it's not worth it.

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4 tabling the 50s. averaging about 100 games a week, yeah i'm pretty lazy.

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IBL

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If you play on Stars it's not worth it since Sharkscope is not allowed there anymore.

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What do you mean? Mine shows stars stats from tonight.

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What do you mean? Mine shows stars stats from tonight.

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It's on the Stars "banned programs" list now so you probably don't want to have Sharkscope open while playing at Stars.

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Its not a program its a website though isn't it?

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Its not a program its a website though isn't it?

[/ QUOTE ]Yes. I never heard it was banned. Link please?

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It lists it as a program. perhaps they mean it is prohibited if used in conjunction with script which makes it a program? has anyone had any problems with sharkscope and stars as far as them stepping in? saying anything via email?

also when did this change take place and any guess as to why?

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Didn't know about this. I don't think there is any way for Stars to tell whether you have Sharkscope open in your browser, but then I could be mistaken. Any hardcore cheaters can easily run their programs on another machine, however, or if they need to run on the same machine, they can simply randomize the names they register with the OS. Not that I condone any of this, just questioning its enforceability.

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Didn't know about this. I don't think there is any way for Stars to tell whether you have Sharkscope open in your browser, but then I could be mistaken. Any hardcore cheaters can easily run their programs on another machine, however, or if they need to run on the same machine, they can simply randomize the names they register with the OS. Not that I condone any of this, just questioning its enforceability.

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Apparently they can and will. See the replies by Pokerstars Jeff in this thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...p;vc=1&nt=4

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So wait.... Pokerstars can track the websites I visit? Remind me to not open any barnyard porn while I've got the client open. Big Brother douchebags

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So wait.... Pokerstars can track the websites I visit? Remind me to not open any barnyard porn while I've got the client open. Big Brother douchebags

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They can also see if you play poker in underpants or less.

Also, don't put your finger in your nose.

Re: sharkscope
 

Which raises a privacy issue, but I guess you have to agree to its terms before playing, and in general I think this is their only option in terms of effective security measures... still curious as to how they can technically track the IPs I visit however or whether SS is "in memory"...

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Very, very lame by Pokerstars. I've had a lot of respect for their general respect for my privacy. Screen capping or searching my browser history is really stepping over the line, especially since it's just a silent addition. They really should send and email or note in their popup a change to the "banned" list.

I only use the free 5 searches a day, so I use sharkscope rarely, but I had no idea it was suddenly moved to the unacceptable software list.

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when do they stop collecting stars data?

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The thing is : they don't stop.

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Very, very lame by Pokerstars. I've had a lot of respect for their general respect for my privacy. Screen capping or searching my browser history is really stepping over the line, especially since it's just a silent addition. They really should send and email or note in their popup a change to the "banned" list.

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I suppose you will get a warning of some sort the first time you get "caught".

About privacy: one of the arguments to introduce an opt-in policy for commercial databases was the privacy of their players, IIRC. And of course the poker client has to scan your memory, harddrive, browser windows, and whatnot, in order to detect bot-software and other programs which give an unfair advantage. That has been going on for a long time already. (And as it makes botting etc more difficult, it is a good thing IMO).

Re: sharkscope
 

It simply depends if you feel you are using it correctly. Making a specific move merely because someone is a certain percentage is not really the way to go. I once bought 200 searches on it but realised all I was doing was looking at my own stats!!!

Re: sharkscope
 

I'd say sharkscope works best as a self-help tool. To see where you make your profits, see where you leak your money away, and the types of games that are/aren't profitable for you.

So if you see that you are +25% ROI @ the $50 buy-ins but only +3% ROI @ the $100 buy-ins, it is a usefull tool b/c it can direct you towards the games that you hold the biggest edge in.

In terms of using sharkscope to determine playing STYLE of opponents, I think you'd be skating on thin ice. You can definitely do more harm to yourself than good if you are over-reading into your opponents' sharkscope stats.

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As long as I only use Sharkscope to berate the fish, but never to make any actual in-game decisions, should be no problem right?

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my stats looks kinda weird.
But i've only played 18 stt at PP.

According to Sharkscope i've played 1 and loosed it.

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As long as I only use Sharkscope to berate the fish, but never to make any actual in-game decisions, should be no problem right?

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I always assumed thats what it's primary use was! It's a wonderful thing to find a -43% multitabler.

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As long as I only use Sharkscope to berate the fish, but never to make any actual in-game decisions, should be no problem right?

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I always assumed thats what it's primary use was! It's a wonderful thing to find a -43% multitabler.

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Yeah, and the best thing to do a big donator is...berate them?

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I never berate anyone. I respond if required.

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As long as I only use Sharkscope to berate the fish, but never to make any actual in-game decisions, should be no problem right?

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I always assumed thats what it's primary use was! It's a wonderful thing to find a -43% multitabler.

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Yeah, and the best thing to do a big donator is...berate them?

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Only if they suck out on you. Then they need to know how bad they are.

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I look at it like this, If sharkscope is illegal pokerstars should file a suit against sharkscope and get it shutdown. But apparently since they are not doing that sharkscope is perfectly legal and fine, and they only way they can do something about it is through the players. As a player, if sharkscope is not being shutdown directly by pokerstars I should have the right to look at it. Plus as I said in another post, if someone doesn't want their stats posted they can simply have them blocked on sharkscope anyway. I think its a very bad move by pokerstars. Especially since they allow other sites to maintain operation such as thepokerdb because they comply to their stupid policy.

Re: sharkscope
 

It's also kind of dumb to have a rule that's blatantly not enforceable -- people could easily use sharkscope on a 2nd computer they're not playing on.

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i rekon the bulk of the pokerworld dont care about there stats being shown its just when people abuse people like "zomg u suck look at ur roi" "omg u suck your down 2k" etc etc

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I look at it like this, If sharkscope is illegal pokerstars should file a suit against sharkscope and get it shutdown. But apparently since they are not doing that sharkscope is perfectly legal and fine, and they only way they can do something about it is through the players. As a player, if sharkscope is not being shutdown directly by pokerstars I should have the right to look at it. Plus as I said in another post, if someone doesn't want their stats posted they can simply have them blocked on sharkscope anyway. I think its a very bad move by pokerstars. Especially since they allow other sites to maintain operation such as thepokerdb because they comply to their stupid policy.

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I think the main point of this rule, as others have said, is to stop the lousy players from taking the fun out of the game for the terrible players.

Re: sharkscope
 

Pokerstar player and moderate user of sharkscope
1) I've never had any problem playing in a SNG and using sharkscope at same time.
2) Not a subscriber so I'll save my 5 daily searches and use them when the table is down to a couple of people. Sure it doesn't show playing styles, but gives pretty good indication if the person is any good. If there ROI is high and they have a decent total profit (based on # games played and stake). I also look at the graph. If someone has a high ROI and a positive profit, they are probably making better decisions than a donk.

Compare KOSA28 and GUMMER2004. These two dudes are representing their respective countries in this years Pokerstars WCOP. Both have drastically different scopes and I would respect a raise from kosa28 more than gummer2004.

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I think the main point of this rule, as others have said, is to stop the lousy players from taking the fun out of the game for the terrible players.

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So whats wrong with banning peoples chats? So since sharkscope isn't open its going to stop players from berating one another? Theres plenty of ways for players to get on one another with or without sharkscope. Seems like a dumb reason to shut it down. I also don't feel this is the reason it is being shut down however.

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I look at it like this, If sharkscope is illegal pokerstars should file a suit against sharkscope and get it shutdown.

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Please take off your aluminum foil beanie and return to planet earth. Of course Sharkscope isn't illegal but that doesn't mean Pokerstars can't prevent you from using it. You ever hear of something called "terms and conditions of use"?



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if someone doesn't want their stats posted they can simply have them blocked on sharkscope anyway

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I don't believe this has been true for well over a year now.


IMO the real reason Stars is opposed to sites like Sharkscope only incidently has to do with players berating losers in chat. Stars doesn't want the losers knwoing how much they are losing. Most losing players don't keep records and have an amazing capacity for fooling themselves about how much they're "winning" or "breaking even." Several of my "break even" coworkers are down a couple grand on Sharkscope. Sharkscope prevents losers from fooling themselves which is bad for Stars and bad for us.

(Other players might know they're losers and not care as long as their friends don't know about it.)

Re: sharkscope
 

OK, as it's such an obvious question to ask I'm prepared for the abuse but why does Stars sell/allow it's data to be collated by these sites ? Surely it's their data ?

Re: sharkscope
 

Did you read the thread or any of the links?

Re: sharkscope
 

The sites collect it on their own. I'd guess they have a large network of computers and they write a program to automatically open each tournament lobby and scroll through the results list and save that info to a databse.

Re: sharkscope
 

"Did you read the thread or any of the links? "

Nice one. You sort me out.

No, I read what I can be bothered to read, ask what I need to ask and smirk at people that feel the need to reply in such a way. Cheers.

And thanks for the above reply.