HAY LOOK I\'M PLAYING BUSTO STAKES HOW\'S MY VALUE SHOVE?!
 

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SB ($213.65)
<font color="#C00000">BB ($122.20)</font>
UTG ($100.50)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($101)</font>
Button ($100.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $2.50.

Flop: ($7.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $23</font>, BB calls $16.

Turn: ($53.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($53.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $20</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $74.5 (All-In)</font>

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reads? looks pretty thin to me

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HE WAS SOMEONE STATIONY AND HIS WEAK ASS RIVER BET LOOKED LIKE A [censored] KING THAT I WAS GONNA PWN BY REPIPNG A BUSTED FLUSH DRAW!

BUT LITTLE DOEDS VILLAIN NNOW MY FLUSH DRAW CONTAINED AN ACE!

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Bleh, I don't think worse pairs look you up that often here unless there's some metagame that causes him to think you're bluff-raising the river.

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Bleh, I don't think worse pairs look you up that often here unless there's some metagame that causes him to think you're bluff-raising the river.

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This looks soooooooooo much like a busted flush. If I'm villain I'm calling this with a K all day.

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i quite like this actually

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i quite like this actually

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stay off the drugs doood

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Drugs make value-shoving a breeze!

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stay off the drugs doood

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Re: HAY LOOK I\'M PLAYING BUSTO STAKES HOW\'S MY VALUE SHOVE?!
 

if theres history i dont mind a shove. readless i call/minraise....i dunno what my obsession with minraising is these last few days. a shove with an unknown villain probably only gets called by better unless u've been playing kind of crazy i think, but minraises always looked up with stuff,...outta frustration and "pot odds" more than anything else.

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youre almost always ahead and i wouldnt expect 100nl players to ever fold a pair so yea why not.

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youre almost always ahead and i wouldnt expect 100nl players to ever fold a pair so yea why not.

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When did you last play 100nl? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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reads? looks pretty thin to me

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looks fat to me

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This looks good but is something I don't do nearly enough. I think spots like this are where someone who plays less tables can definitely improve their winrate loads. When I'm playing 9-12-tables I don't think I can handread fast enough to make shoves like this.

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youre almost always ahead and i wouldnt expect 100nl players to ever fold a pair so yea why not.

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When did you last play 100nl? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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about 16 months ago. why, have games changed since then? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I would bet the turn.
Getting all in on the urn is alot more respectable than on the river. I think villans most likely holdings are Kx or a worse flush draw. So im calling this river but i like betting the turn.

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I would bet the turn.
Getting all in on the urn is alot more respectable than on the river. I think villans most likely holdings are Kx or a worse flush draw. So im calling this river but i like betting the turn.

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We get it all-in on the turn we are def. getting it in behind.

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This is one of those spots where U sit with J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], steaming and move in as a bluff. When they snapcall you with a K you always think how easy it would have been if you only had an A any kicker

Nice hand

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I like it.

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How do people feel about a minraise here? I know the word itself brings on OMG TERRIBLE...but I think a case can be made that a K may call a minraise enough for it to have more value than a shove.

It may not look like a bluff as much...but it'd be pretty hard to fold to the minraise

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How do people feel about a minraise here? I know the word itself brings on OMG TERRIBLE...but I think a case can be made that a K may call a minraise enough for it to have more value than a shove.

It may not look like a bluff as much...but it'd be pretty hard to fold to the minraise

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Our opponent can only really call with a king here as a bluffcatcher, and when we minraise we really can't rep a bluff. I mean, it still is gonna get looked up pretty often but not so much more than a shove that the frequency outweighs the lost value.

Fonkey, I was about to say that he could pretty easily have a set or AK or whatever that missed a turn check/raise, but looking at that river bet sizing you're ahead here very very often. Nice hand.

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He doesn't fold any pair to a miniraise, so I don't hate it; but a shove is still only a 1/2 pot bet.

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no read no shove. Vs unkowns this is like so bad. No way any reasonable player calls this with a K.

with the right conditions this is brilliant obv.

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Ok, he called with KT and the money was shipped to me.

The reason I didn't bet the turn was so I could push a blank river like so.

The only thing betting the turn gains value from is flush draws, but repping the ace there is so profitable is gets them to fold mostly anything (which is why I'd probably DB a smaller flush draw there.)

Okay thanks guys &lt;333333333333333333333

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Oh, I think his 20 dollar river bet was the clincher in determining his relative hand strength making this, in my mind, a good value push [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Glad to see some people agree since I got torn a new one in my last hands thread.

All, I think if you're going to miniraise you might as well shove. TBH I think his calling frequency versus a shove is teh same as a miniraise, since it's only 35 more than a miniraise and it looks wayyyyyyyyy bluffier.

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reads? looks pretty thin to me

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looks fat to me

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You think it's standard? I don't necessarily think it's standard, but far too many people in SSNL miss out on a ton of value in hands like these.